Guess the service (pix)

topstuf · April 12, 2003 4:13AM

Both F12................Answer later today or tomorrow. Right field on right coin is reflection, not flaw.

jonesy · April 12, 2003 10:40PM

Uuuuh, ACG??

Glenn

BillJones · April 12, 2003 10:46PM

I'd grade the coin on the left as a Fine-12 and the one on the right as a VG-10. Both coins are quite nice and would be a fine addition to many, many collections.

I'd say the one of the left is probably PCGS or perhaps NGC. I'd say the one on the right is ANACS.

BTW the way things are going the one on the left could end up in a VF-20 holder if the submitter got lucky.

topstuf · April 13, 2003 2:06AM

Left: ANACS
Right: PCGS

lordmarcovan · April 13, 2003 5:34AM

I was gonna guess PCGS on the left and NGC on the right.

Agreed- both are nice coins.

jonesy · April 13, 2003 6:34AM

I really don't want to guess the grade, I was wanting to guess why you bought two of the same grade coins from two grading services. Why didn't you get yourself a VF25 instead???

Glenn

BillJones · April 13, 2003 7:03AM

I'm not totally surprised that the better coin is in the ANACS holder. Those who reject ANACS coins out of hand, especially in the circulated grades, risk missing some really nice pieces.

byergo · April 13, 2003 7:07AM

Yuck! Melt those ugly coins down please!

topstuf · April 13, 2003 7:08AM

Just that I am attempting to corral as many nice ....MID GRADE.... earlies as possible. Just keep addin to da stash.
Call it crazy. And I....do....like MS. But I just like amassing nice looking RARE coins in "affordable" collector grades.

Bust dollars in F-VF-XF
Seated in VF and XF (uncleaned)
Draped bust quarters and halves in F-VF-XF

Don't have unlimited funds but would rather have 10 $2500 coins than one $25,000 one.

Although I gotta admit I was kinda relieved to see David Lawrence sell that 1895 proof dollar. I agonized over that one for a whole THREE days til it was gone. Whew!

And I like the 1795 flowing hair as it is virtually a one year type (although ugly as sin, it's required for a type set.)

BillJones · April 13, 2003 10:14AM

Flowing Hair silver dollar ... ugly as sin....(!!!)

I think she looks alot better than Susan B. Anthony! But if one were to hold a beauty contest between Suzie and the eagle on the reverse (See the eagle in the attached picture on the reverse of her little half dime sister), that could be a close contest.

lordmarcovan · April 13, 2003 10:25AM

<< <i>I am attempting to corral as many nice ....MID GRADE.... earlies as possible >>

An admirable endeavor, and I think nice midgrade earlies are tougher to find in many cases than the other ends of the spectrum.

Sometimes it seems it's all either beat-up junk or lofty-priced AU-Unc stuff, with little in between. The nice midgrade coins probably don't appear as often, either, as they are in the realm of the true collector, and I believe the folks who collect them hold onto them for a long time.

cardinal · April 13, 2003 10:42AM

Two nice coins! I like the flowing hair design also.

With the early material like this, the characteristics of individual die varieties really should be considered in determining the proper grade.

The ANACS coin is a "2 Leaves" type, most likely the B-1 variety, whereas the PCGS coin is the B-5 variety of the "3 Leaves" type. The B-5 variety was struck in higher relief than the other varieties of the flowing hair dollars, and, consequently, the hair details wore away much more quickly than on other varieties. So, coins of this variety will almost always show less hair detail for the same grade than other varieties. I would say both are properly graded.

coinkat · April 13, 2003 10:47AM

Both coins are properly graded and hopefully afew more posts like this will clearly demonstrate that its best to buy the coin and not the plastic.

RYK · April 13, 2003 10:51AM

I think we have now heard from the authority, Cardinal. It goes to show that it takes someone who really knows the series backwards and forwards to pick out the grading nuances. The point of this thread, I think, was that the coin on the left showed less wear than that on the right, but both were holdered with the same grade. To someone like myself, who has know idea about the various die varieties, it seems unjust. But now we know why the grading is correct.

Very interesting...

Robert

islemangu · April 14, 2003 5:36AM

I have always agreed with BillJones point and others that anacs slabs for circulated coins are sound slabs and this thread reinforces that point. Especially with buffalo nickel die and strike varieties. Just good clean (not cleaned) fun

Barry · April 14, 2003 7:11AM

Speaking of 1795 halves, here's mine, from my 18th cent:

It's raw and I call it VG-8. I've been thinking about upgrading it, but even in VF-20, I don't think it looks much better. Think I should leave it as is?

BillJones · April 14, 2003 7:13AM

I would add that I sold a beautiful 1926-S Buffalo nickel in an ANACS AU-58 slab. The coin was as nice or nicer than anything you would find in an NGC or PCGS holder. It really was a premium coin.

JoyofCollecting · April 14, 2003 8:18AM

<< <i>I'm not totally surprised that the better coin is in the ANACS holder. Those who reject ANACS coins out of hand, especially in the circulated grades, risk missing some really nice pieces. >>

Couldn't agree more for classic collector's coins!!! ANACS seems very solid!!

Gilbert · April 14, 2003 8:39AM

With the early material like this, the characteristics of individual die varieties really should be considered in determining the proper grade.

The ANACS coin is a "2 Leaves" type, most likely the B-1 variety, whereas the PCGS coin is the B-5 variety of the "3 Leaves" type. The B-5 variety was struck in higher relief than the other varieties of the flowing hair dollars, and, consequently, the hair details wore away much more quickly than on other varieties. So, coins of this variety will almost always show less hair detail for the same grade than other varieties. I would say both are properly graded.

Thanks for that edification. I myself was wondering if any legitimate comparison could be made, particularly after seeing they are different varieties.

grip · April 14, 2003 8:59AM

cardinal
Thanks for your expertise>>>>The ANACS coin is a "2 Leaves" type, most likely the B-1 variety, whereas the PCGS coin is the B-5 variety of the "3 Leaves" type. The B-5 variety was struck in higher relief than the other varieties of the flowing hair dollars, and, consequently, the hair details wore away much more quickly than on other varieties. So, coins of this variety will almost always show less hair detail for the same grade than other varieties. I would say both are properly graded.

Al

topstuf · April 14, 2003 9:54AM

They're like CC dollars. Carson City bags were made of a particularly gritty cloth and each coin was placed in the bag so the cheeks rested against the emery cloth. Then the bags were used by a Paiute soccer team and thus the grading of CC dollars can not be applied to such as the 1880S.

heh heh.

His noticing the varieties was right on and the PCGS is obviously a higher relief. The post was just to show that ANACS gives good slab.

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