If You Had a Raw Morgan That You Felt Was an MS69

dragon · April 9, 2003 8:23AM

If you had a raw common date Morgan dollar that you thought was a lock MS69, what are the odds that PCGS would 69 it in todays market? I'm thinking slim to none from what I've heard from others lately.

dragon

lordmarcovan · April 9, 2003 8:25AM

Based on my luck with submissions, about .0000000000000000001%.

paigowjohnny · April 9, 2003 8:26AM

I'd get a body bag...I just know it...

DCAMFranklin · April 9, 2003 8:26AM

Not even slim, just none!

MadMarty · April 9, 2003 8:30AM

Looks like a 69 grades an AU58!!!

kieferscoins · April 9, 2003 8:32AM

Seriously, I would send it in express at a show and then do the Presidential grade review, if it came back a 67 or 68.

Cameron Kiefer

jbsteven · April 9, 2003 8:33AM

you would be lucky to get a 68, 69 out of the question unless Wayne or Jack submitted it. IMO

Baley · April 9, 2003 9:10AM

the coin would have to be perfect under 10x to get 69.

MrEureka · April 9, 2003 10:12AM

70%

kranky · April 9, 2003 10:20AM

If I can reword the question a little to say "If I had a raw common date Morgan that was a lock MS69 (instead of "I thought" was a lock)..." just to eliminate the possibility that I might be wrong?

Then, just from what I'm hearing, I think the chance of getting the deserved 69 would be less than 50%. Probably 25%. It might need to be sent in surrounded by top-quality gem pieces. Or, like jbsteven said, you'd need Wayne or Jack to send it in.

Gilbert · April 9, 2003 10:20AM

Seems to me if it was a "lock" MS69 and common, they should have no problem giving it the grade, particularly since most everything is market graded.

I don't understand why everyone feels otherwise. To meet the technical merits of a 69, it could theoretically (for today's standard) get a 70 -- that is, providing you've based this "lock 69" on technical merits. In my mind anyway.

CLASSICS · April 9, 2003 10:25AM

<< <i>If you had a raw common date Morgan dollar that you thought was a lock MS69, what are the odds that PCGS would 69 it in todays market? I'm thinking slim to none from what I've heard from others lately.

dragon >>

.................if you happen to have one, it would have to be a truly outstanding coin. something that stands out above all the others... marks, luster, strike, etc. etc. i would sumit it, and see what they think......however i would not get to excited if i were you, as your chances of receiving such a grade are very slim.......

Dron · April 9, 2003 11:03AM

Just so you know, PCGS uses 16x glass to see if there is any marks. Anything that is visible under this glass grade will go down.

Any police officers out there?

jbsteven · April 9, 2003 11:06AM

i could be wrong but I believe david hall said they use a 5-10x glass when needed.

banknote1 · April 9, 2003 11:18AM

<< <i>you would be lucky to get a 68, 69 out of the question unless Wayne or Jack submitted it. IMO >>

I was told by a good friend of Jack's that Jack doesn't think he gets any special treatment on grades from PCGS. Then in the same breath, I was told of a '93-S that Jack bought thinking it was a MS66, HRH, at a show put in a nice shiny MS67 holder for free!!

jbsteven · April 9, 2003 11:20AM

the only 67 and I have seen it, nice coin

upon looking at the pop report I could swear there was only 1 67 in the 93s just a few months ago.

jbsteven · April 9, 2003 11:24AM

by the way I have held 4 proof 69 NGC morgans of his in one hand at once, what a feeling!

this is one

banknote1 · April 9, 2003 11:44AM

I don't know who has the coin now. But it is a pop one! I have never seen the coin, though, I do know what it sold for at auction. At least twice what my entire collection is worth!!!

jbsteven · April 9, 2003 11:47AM

here is who has it and others

http://www.buyuscoins.com/coins.tmpl?category=C12

banknote1 · April 9, 2003 11:54AM

I just looked up the PCGS pop report. There are two MS67's!!!

Coinosaurus · April 9, 2003 12:00PM

If I had an MS68 that was a lock 69, one thing I would NOT do is ask EVP to crack it out

K6AZ · April 9, 2003 12:04PM

The way things have been going lately, I don't think they would grade any Morgan as a 69. I don't have access to the pop reports right now, has the number gone up in the last year or so?

banknote1 · April 9, 2003 12:06PM

I checked out the site! Those Jack Lee's are pricey! Maybe I need to get Jack to write his name on my Morgan's holders. I didn't see the '93-S though.

banknote1 · April 9, 2003 12:21PM

PCGS pop report shows 8 reg. MS69's and 1 MS69PL...

K6AZ · April 9, 2003 12:47PM

OK, so they haven't graded any coins 69 in the last year. My pop report is from April of last year, and it shows 8 MS and 1 PL in 69.

If You Had a Raw Morgan That You Felt Was an MS69

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