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Can anyone tell me what happened to the obverse??

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Interestinig looking coin. Looks original on the right rim, the rest cloudy. Does anyone know why??

Link to coin
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.

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  • satootokosatootoko Posts: 2,720 ✭


    << <i>There is some light silvery toning on the obverse of the coin which adds to its eye appeal, while the reverse is simply bright and lustrous. >>



    That's what the seller says!image
    Roy


    image
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    I don't know by looking at the scan. Do you know, or are you testing us?

    Cameron Kiefer
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I think he knows! I'm curious to find out.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • abuellabuell Posts: 715
    Dip, dip, dip. It's a Roger Rabbit coin - it's seen the dip.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    I'm guessing the way it was photographed accentuated the toning line quite a bit. Here's the same coin imaged by Heritage.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Now that I think of it that Heritage lot was mine -- thought it looked familiar. And it was the first coin I ever took an image of, about 2 years ago:

    image

    The plot thickens. Lakesammman actually had it in his possession for a few days, along with a group of other IHs of mine he was looking over for possible sale. He passed on the 1859 -- too spotty for his tastes -- and there's no way he could have recognized it with this odd Ebay image. I originally bought it off Ebay so it's come full circle in about 3 years time.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ah yes....with the pink background it looks familiar....image The pre-white balance pics.

    Do you think it's changed over time or is it just the lighting??
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    It was in a green label slab and never changed in the 2 years I had it. If it's still in that holder I'm assuming that weird obverse toning is the product of their "new scanner" mentioned in the Ebay description. The spot in the E of LIBERTY is what always struck me first on that coin, and I don't recall anything in the fields that comes close to that Ebay image. Very strange...
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    PS: I hear a lot of CNs are getting dipped these days...
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    My image on the bottom (white balance corrected) compared to the Ebay pic:

    image
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    They are the same coin?? Wow, what a difference. Which picture is what the coin looks like in person?

    Tom
    Tom

  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    If it's still in the green label PCGS slab mine & Heritage's pics are closer to reality. If not, it may have a new look.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I concur with what you say re: dipping. I'll start a thread so it will be noticable and see what others think. I've followed the CN proofs for a long time and suddenly beautiful, cameo coins are coming out of the woodwork! Never saw any like the current ones just a few years ago - NCS??

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    shylock, you continue to amaze me with your photographic memory (and photographic library) of IHCs. I'm tempted to post a pic of a G-4 1908 I got from my grandfather just to find out if you already have a photo of it. image

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • toothpullertoothpuller Posts: 600 ✭
    From what I understand the dealer is very reputable. I sent him a link to the thread. Hope he has a comment.
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shylock has described himself as a idiot savant when it comes to numismatics - I would take exception to the idiot part - he truly is amazing!!imageimage
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    The fact it took me 10 minutes to realize a Heritage lot was my consignment proves the idiot part.

    I'd be curious to know the current holder generation of this coin, which has no reflection on the current seller.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The purpose of the thread was in no way started to cast doubt on the originality of the coin - it just looked odd to me and was hoping someone had an explanation. Some have hinted that I know - I don't! Still looking and learning.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • toothpullertoothpuller Posts: 600 ✭
    Received the following response from the seller:

    "Sorry I don't think I can help you. I really can't tell if it the same coin or not. In addition the pictures of the one you have scanned from Heritage is completely wrong in color.... it looks like a copper coin. You guys figure it out. I just have a legitimate coin for sale."
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Oh well, guess we won't get any info on the slab. It's definitely the same coin, the hallmark fly specs makes this one easy to match up.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • FinallyHereFinallyHere Posts: 821 ✭✭✭
    I'm going to chime in here.....at the risk of making enemies, which is NOT my goal. I saw this coin in Baltimore and it was in a blue label holder and in my opinion was dipped. There was surely something very odd about the surfaces and color. If this was Shylock's coin, which based on the tell tale spot in obverse left side lettering I assume it is, it has had a "make-over" shall we say. Now this is NOT to say the makeover was done by the current seller, and knowing the current seller I would say it was most certainly purchased as is and not messed with in any way by the seller.

    This is a very interesting thread, and I am very impressed that Shylock remembered this coin and still had an archived image!!!!! WOW....I should be half that forward thinking!! Way to go Paul!!!

    Mike Printz
    Mike Printz
    Harlan J. Berk, Ltd.
    https://hjbltd.com/#!/department/us-coins
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Mike -- really appreciate your first hand info and agree that the dealer is an innocent party to this. If you look close at my old image of this coin you see some light, subtle toning breaks on the right obverse where the planchet surface changes in texture. Like under the A of AMERICA. The planchet reacted much differently to the dip in this area -- something I'm sure the dip-ee didn't anticipate.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The irregular, scalloped margin to the toning change is what caugt my eye, along with the cloudy appearance.

    Shylock - I don't understand the jest of your last post - could you rephrase it for those of us that are coin-challenged??image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Lakesammman - Wish I had large, clear photos of both coins but this the best I can do:

    image

    That V shaped change in the planchet texture is barely seen on the "before" image (on the right) even on my hi res monitor, but hopefully you can see it too. When I look at the outline of the Ebay coin's obverse toning I see some areas on my old image that correspond to it, very faintly. I know nothing about the chemistry end of dipping but common sense says a planchet's texture could have adverse affects on it. Seems like the dip reacted differently to the right side of this faint outline due to the different texture of the planchet. Perhaps it didn't rinse as cleanly there, giving it that shiny look.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Maybe the alloy was not thoroughly mixed and this is what reacted to the dip in question? mike image
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ah...now I see what you mean. Looks like a candidate for the PCGS copper guarantee. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.

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