Please offer your opinion(s) as to grade?

Gilbert · March 17, 2003 11:55PM

If you don't mind, can you look at these four coins and offer your opinion as to whether you would consider them all the same grade. If not, what grade might you consider them. They are all encapsulated. Thanks.

Four CC Morgans for your perusal.

I apologize for not being able to put them in a better format.

smprfi · March 18, 2003 12:49AM

Top to bottom.
MS-64
MS-64
MS-63
MS-64

eagle7 · March 18, 2003 12:56AM

Hard to tell without seeing luster or hairlines but a swag would be top to bottom

MS63
MS62
MS62
MS62

BillJones · March 18, 2003 1:01AM

Luster is key, but here's my take from what I can see.

The first is a really nice MS-64, The rest are all nice MS-63s, but I have seen coins of equal quality in MS-64 holders from both PCGS and NGC.

Gilbert · March 18, 2003 1:11AM

Bill, you nailed it with this comment, " ... the rest all nice 63s, but I've seen ..."

partial c&p from my PM

Well I felt the coins would grade

78CC 63 maybe PL
80/79CC 63 maybe PL
84CC 64PL
85CC 64

but PCGS felt they were
63
63
63PL
63

IMO there is no way all four are the same grade. I really would like to procure every single comparable coin currently graded 64 and have them downgraded and PCGS pay me the difference, but, that would be somewhat contrary to my belief that I will not be bound by what any grading company says.

BTW, my scanner sucks and photocountry (the free service) doesn't provide much format alternative.

FC57Coins · March 18, 2003 1:13AM

I'm going on the high end - those are pretty awesome CC's

MS66
MS65
MS65
MS65

Gilbert · March 18, 2003 1:23AM

BTW, that 80/79CC has some serious planchet issues. Does anyone know if this is common? The planchet looks improperly rolled, like drag marks when shaving metal - still it has prooflike qualities.

If you look at the reverse above the motto you might be able to detect some horizontal lines; they run (in varying degrees) across the whole reverse (including the main device, of course somewhat minimized by the strike).

dorkkarl · March 18, 2003 1:59AM

my guesses before looking at the answers (if they're already posted):

ms-63
ms-62
ms-63
ms-63-

now i'll go back & see if answers have been posted

K S