I actually go through raw cards myself and for some of my sets (75 mini and 78) almost all of my cards are from my own submissions, but I do think Steve has much greater contacts and probably goes to more shows.
In any case, my question was meant to more humorous than actually asking for an answer.
Collector of baseball PSA sets from the 1970's & hockey rookie cards; big New York Rangers fan (particularly now that they are sleeping with the enemy with Holik and Kaspiritus). Also starting to collect 53 Bowman Color as I think they are the most beautiful cards I have seen.
Dave - Did you find any low pop 1969's in NM-MT at Setbuilders? I don't go to the east coast shows, so I haven't had the opportunity to peruse their inventory.
<< <i>but I do think Steve has much greater contacts and probably goes to more shows. >>
i also heard that he used to be a grader for psa so that in itself would help. if you know what their graders are trained to catch and how they grade each and every card then yes he has a big advantage.is this true i don't know. maybe somebody can confirm that.
jackstraw> One doesn't need to be a former grader to have a good eye for cards. This is a skill that can be learned and honed over time with sufficient work and practice.
In fact, I can see where being a former grader could be a disadvantage. Grading standards can and do shift slightly over time. If you do not account for this in your evaluation of raw cards you intend to buy, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Steve's got a really good eye and is a great guy. In and of itself, however, I don't know how much it means to be a former grader.
I agree that Steve would almost certainly have been considered a good grader. But my point was that in and of itself, having been a grader isn't necessarily an advantage. The attributes that Steve uses may have been refined by grading, but he still has to be willing to apply what he knows correctly. These skills certainly aren't restricted to former graders. I mean Andy Montero is building a 72T set in all PSA9 and has a good portion of his set from his own submissions. It can be done
Steve worked for PSA, but wasn't a grader, per se. My understanding is he was a reviewer on one end of the invoice or the other. Sure, he would've picked up some grading skills, but not to the extent that a full-time, hot lights, dark room, long hours in loneliness, grader would have.
Found a really nice Duncan , Tresh, Reece, Andrews,and Michael. All have a great chance at 8 with the Duncan being the nicest. It has al most 50-50 centering both ways, Its a great card. Also found another 30 I needed for my set that are 7 or better.
1420 - Wow! That stinks! Unlike a standard weekend show the National has activities earlier like Wed. or Thurs. Perhaps you can hook up then. What are the closest Casino Hotels to the National? My luck would be buying a 60 pound '81 Topps vending case and trying to carry it with my other purchases 3 miles to my room or car, while having the wife nag at me the whole time while I was having my stroke...jay
I may have to do just that Jay. AC is not that big, and taxis are all over the place. I know Caesar's is most likely the closest to the convention center.
Found a really nice Duncan , Tresh, Reece, Andrews,and Michael. All have a great chance at 8 with the Duncan being the nicest. It has al most 50-50 centering both ways, Its a great card. Also found another 30 I needed for my set that are 7 or better.
Dave >>
Does the Andrews have any print snow on the shirt sleeve? That's what usually downgrades the nice ones. If not, you'll have a great shot at an 8.
I can't believe I am the only one who really wants to meet Mr. Mint!!! I have heard so many wonderful things about him and his business dealings. His fair prices and wonderful communication skills are legendary! You all must have already met him. Were you able to get one of his awesome 1952 Topps cards with his super-photogenic picture on it? Since PSA will be there, I will be submitting as many as possible. Will James Spense authenticate an autograph of his? I am actually getting two hotel rooms so I can store all of the late 1980's commons I plan on selling him.
Looking forward to swap stories with all of you...
The Kellogg's Klub...GEMMINTMAN (you better make it), the great Zardoz, and all the rest of the Krew...Dave Jacobs, Todd Schaffer, Steve Wolfe, Herb Watson, Dan Markel, Dennis Skovran, Evan Fraser, Ian Riccaboni, Tony Lee, Mick Cornett, Robert Beaton, Anthony Nex, Jeff Britton. Whew!! And a special note to Neal Kane....SHOW UP OR FACE THE KELLOGG'S KOURT !!!
The 72 Topps guys...Frank Bakka, Dave Read, Mike Castaldi, Eric Olander, Eric Jarvi, Neil Downey, Mickey, and all the other 40 or so guys on the registry.
The Northwest guys...Frank Smith (already met him a couple of times), Chris Clairmont, and Bruce Moreland.
And all the rest of the "Registry Crazies"...#1 Jay Wolt, Quincy Sheldon, BigkidatHeart, Billy Stair, James Miles and his better half "Angie", Marc Schoenen, John (Basilone), and all the rest of the guys that I can't think of right now (quick...give me a glass of that special GEMMINTMAN Kool-aid Kocktail...).
I would not want to leave the National with out shaking a few special hands. Folks that have tremendous collections, and deserve praise.....Mr. Davaillo (Jim), Carlos Aponte, and Marshall Fogel.
I'll see you all in Atlantic City!!!!
Larry
I LOVE FANCY CURRENCY, pretty girls, Disney Dollars, pretty girls, MPC's, ..did I mention pretty girls???
SELLERMAN - I never got the '52 Mr. Mint version, but I have a Mr. Mint pennant hanging up in my office (I really do!) I need the Mr. Mint beanie bear and Mr. Mint bobble head to complete my collection.
KING KELLOGG - I assume the 1st round of 100 proof Kool-Aid is on you! Hopefully, a bunch of us can get together on Wednesday or Thursday since I will be leaving Friday afternoon...jay
And a special note to Neal Kane....SHOW UP OR FACE THE KELLOGG'S KOURT !!!
When does the show open to the public and more importantly when is the Kellogg's Klub holding Kourt? I can be there Wed nite and all day Thursday only ... Larry, expect to have a drink ready
Jay, I may stop by next week, as I have an appt on Littlestown Pike
1420sports... Neal, according to the press release, the dealers move in day is Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on what "class" of dealer you are (???). General admission starts Thursday morning.
I think I'll get a suite/room somewhere close and maybe host a hospitality event Wednesday night (maybe every night...?..ha)..... I'll start some plans....... Of course, everyone on the board is invited to stop by and say "Hi", have a K Koncoction (or regular beer for you lightweights), and have some fun.
We'll see what happens. If there's enough parties going on...who knows....
Jay...I've got a big 'ole honker "Tony the Tiger" glass ready for you (100 proof???..Rookie...)!!!
Cheers!
I'll keep you posted.
Larry
I LOVE FANCY CURRENCY, pretty girls, Disney Dollars, pretty girls, MPC's, ..did I mention pretty girls???
If it's like past years, corporate booth holders/"dealers" like Topps, Upper Deck, PSA, etc. move in Tuesday, while the dealers we generally think of move in Wed. I've been at the last 10 Nationals as a dealer, and have NEVER come on Tuesday (like I have any interest in that dog#@$@ meal they offer Tuesday night).
Why do I get the feeling, that some cards are worth money, while others are not?
I have the '52 Mr. Mint displayed on my deck....I'm in need of any of his memorbilia (pennant, bobble head,e tc.). Please let me know if you have any extras.
I am shocked that such a high profile name like Ian Riccaboni did not appear on anyone's list .
I cannot wait to meet all of you at the National this year. I have been tied up with basketball/baseball lately, or else I would have been posting more often. Have I missed any thing ? Have 1987 WWF cards skyrocked in value? Or how about my beloved 1988 Donruss cards?
My folks are getting the arrangements for the hotels and such. Original plan was to commute back and forth for a day or two, but it seems as though a hotel will be easier.
It's funny you should mention 1988 Donruss! I was at the town transfer station this morning (aka the dump) and was dumping my paper recycling into the large bin and I just so happened to notice a few baseball cards catch my eye. You know how you can spot money on the ground from like 100 feet away? Well caseball cards are the same way. I instantly recognized a back from 1986 Topps, a slew of 1984 Topps and some 1988 Donruss! I spent a few minutes looking for other/older cards but only saw those relics with badly damaged corners from 80's there. Someone must have been tired of waiting for the prices to rise on those issues! If you're really into that issue, I can give you the location of the transfer station and even what bin I spied them in!
I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
Scott Wetzel, if he is not the king of 70's Topps sets, I don't know who is. Have got to meet the drumming weiner, what a classic piece of work Paul has got to be.
Stan Musial topped the .300 mark 17 times and won seven National League batting titles. A three-time MVP, he played in 24 All-Star Games. Probably, the greatest player who is overlooked and underappreciated.
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In any case, my question was meant to more humorous than actually asking for an answer.
<< <i>but I do think Steve has much greater contacts and probably goes to more shows. >>
i also heard that he used to be a grader for psa so that in itself would help. if you know what their graders are trained to catch and how they grade each and every card then yes he has a big advantage.is this true i don't know. maybe somebody can confirm that.
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In fact, I can see where being a former grader could be a disadvantage. Grading standards can and do shift slightly over time. If you do not account for this in your evaluation of raw cards you intend to buy, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Steve's got a really good eye and is a great guy. In and of itself, however, I don't know how much it means to be a former grader.
Mike
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Mike
i would have to say if steve was a "bad grader" he wouldn't have a complete 71 set in 8/9/10 grade
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The attributes that Steve uses may have been refined by grading, but he still has to be willing to apply what he knows correctly. These skills certainly aren't restricted to former graders. I mean Andy Montero is building a 72T set in all PSA9 and has a good portion of his set from his own submissions. It can be done
Mike
Steve worked for PSA, but wasn't a grader, per se. My understanding is he was a reviewer on one end of the invoice or the other. Sure, he would've picked up some grading skills, but not to the extent that a full-time, hot lights, dark room, long hours in loneliness, grader would have.
Found a really nice Duncan , Tresh, Reece, Andrews,and Michael. All have a great chance at 8 with the Duncan being the nicest. It has al most 50-50 centering both ways, Its a great card. Also found another 30 I needed for my set that are 7 or better.
Dave
The National is an hour and a half away, and I will be out of town
What are the closest Casino Hotels to the National? My luck would be buying a 60 pound '81 Topps vending case and trying to carry it with my other purchases 3 miles to my room or car, while having the wife nag at me the whole time while I was having my stroke...jay
Website: http://www.qualitycards.com
Any one meeting up on Wed or Thurs?
<< <i>Gemint
Found a really nice Duncan , Tresh, Reece, Andrews,and Michael. All have a great chance at 8 with the Duncan being the nicest. It has al most 50-50 centering both ways, Its a great card. Also found another 30 I needed for my set that are 7 or better.
Dave >>
Does the Andrews have any print snow on the shirt sleeve? That's what usually downgrades the nice ones. If not, you'll have a great shot at an 8.
I can't believe I am the only one who really wants to meet Mr. Mint!!! I have heard so many wonderful things about him and his business dealings. His fair prices and wonderful communication skills are legendary! You all must have already met him. Were you able to get one of his awesome 1952 Topps cards with his super-photogenic picture on it? Since PSA will be there, I will be submitting as many as possible. Will James Spense authenticate an autograph of his? I am actually getting two hotel rooms so I can store all of the late 1980's commons I plan on selling him.
Dave
sellerman23
1975 Topps
1952 Topps
HOF
Looking forward to swap stories with all of you...
The Kellogg's Klub...GEMMINTMAN (you better make it), the great Zardoz, and all the rest of the Krew...Dave Jacobs, Todd Schaffer, Steve Wolfe, Herb Watson, Dan Markel, Dennis Skovran, Evan Fraser, Ian Riccaboni, Tony Lee, Mick Cornett, Robert Beaton, Anthony Nex, Jeff Britton. Whew!! And a special note to Neal Kane....SHOW UP OR FACE THE KELLOGG'S KOURT !!!
The 72 Topps guys...Frank Bakka, Dave Read, Mike Castaldi, Eric Olander, Eric Jarvi, Neil Downey, Mickey, and all the other 40 or so guys on the registry.
The Northwest guys...Frank Smith (already met him a couple of times), Chris Clairmont, and Bruce Moreland.
And all the rest of the "Registry Crazies"...#1 Jay Wolt, Quincy Sheldon, BigkidatHeart, Billy Stair, James Miles and his better half "Angie", Marc Schoenen, John (Basilone), and all the rest of the guys that I can't think of right now (quick...give me a glass of that special GEMMINTMAN Kool-aid Kocktail...).
I would not want to leave the National with out shaking a few special hands. Folks that have tremendous collections, and deserve praise.....Mr. Davaillo (Jim), Carlos Aponte, and Marshall Fogel.
I'll see you all in Atlantic City!!!!
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
I need the Mr. Mint beanie bear and Mr. Mint bobble head to complete my collection.
KING KELLOGG - I assume the 1st round of 100 proof Kool-Aid is on you! Hopefully, a bunch of us can get together on Wednesday or Thursday since I will be leaving Friday afternoon...jay
Website: http://www.qualitycards.com
When does the show open to the public and more importantly when is the Kellogg's Klub holding Kourt? I can be there Wed nite and all day Thursday only ... Larry, expect to have a drink ready
Jay, I may stop by next week, as I have an appt on Littlestown Pike
Website: http://www.qualitycards.com
Neal, according to the press release, the dealers move in day is Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on what "class" of dealer you are (???). General admission starts Thursday morning.
I think I'll get a suite/room somewhere close and maybe host a hospitality event Wednesday night (maybe every night...?..ha)..... I'll start some plans....... Of course, everyone on the board is invited to stop by and say "Hi", have a K Koncoction (or regular beer for you lightweights), and have some fun.
We'll see what happens. If there's enough parties going on...who knows....
Jay...I've got a big 'ole honker "Tony the Tiger" glass ready for you (100 proof???..Rookie...)!!!
Cheers!
I'll keep you posted.
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
except for MW!
( or Fatcat)
<< <i>I've got a big 'ole honker "Tony the Tiger" glass ready for you (100 proof >>
KINK KELLOGG - Bring It On!!!
Website: http://www.qualitycards.com
Wasn't PSA talking about hosting an event?
I have the '52 Mr. Mint displayed on my deck....I'm in need of any of his memorbilia (pennant, bobble head,e tc.). Please let me know if you have any extras.
John
I cannot wait to meet all of you at the National this year. I have been tied up with basketball/baseball lately, or else I would have been posting more often. Have I missed any thing ? Have 1987 WWF cards skyrocked in value? Or how about my beloved 1988 Donruss cards?
My folks are getting the arrangements for the hotels and such. Original plan was to commute back and forth for a day or two, but it seems as though a hotel will be easier.
I'll post more when I get the chance,
Ian
Thanks again fellas, counting the days until the national,
Ian
You bet you're included!!!
(GEMMINTMAN might have to "tone down" the Kool-Aid refreshments for you a litte though...)
See 'ya there!!
Larry
email....emards4457@msn.com
CHEERS!!
It's funny you should mention 1988 Donruss! I was at the town transfer station this morning (aka the dump) and was dumping my paper recycling into the large bin and I just so happened to notice a few baseball cards catch my eye. You know how you can spot money on the ground from like 100 feet away? Well caseball cards are the same way. I instantly recognized a back from 1986 Topps, a slew of 1984 Topps and some 1988 Donruss! I spent a few minutes looking for other/older cards but only saw those relics with badly damaged corners from 80's there. Someone must have been tired of waiting for the prices to rise on those issues!
Cheers,
Dave
sellerman23
1975 Topps
1952 Topps
HOF