I checked the Ebay history of your buyer and see that he purchased at least two different lots of "1964P" Kennedy halves, described as such by the sellers. He also purchased others not described as "P" mints. Based on that, I believe that he clearly knew or should have known what he was getting from you and is merely looking to cause trouble.
Tell this idiot to pound sand and take the hit. You have a zillion positives and have been around a long time, he just fell off the turnip truck and landed on eBay. Anybody who looks at the histories will know that you got unlucky and ran in to a toad.
Tell him you made a mistake and put the wrong wording in the title
The PCGS slab clearly states the coin as a 1885 S $ and 1885 S $ are much more valuable than 1885-P dollars - if he would kindly return the coin, you will refund his money.
he says he is going to take futher action.........maybe he should start by stop sniffing glue. then he says you should send him something to make up the diffrence......how about a tube of elmers.......
Send him this link to the ANA's frequently asked questions page and their #25.
25. What is a mintmark? What U.S. Mints are currently operating?
Mintmarks designate where a coin was struck. Current mintmarks and mints include:
(P) Philadelphia, 1793 to date---circulating coinage, most pre-1968 proof strikes. (D) Denver, 1906 to date---circulating coinage. (S) San Francisco, 1854---proof strikes. (W) West Point, 1984 to date---bullion issues.
Past U.S. Mints include: (C) Charlotte, North Carolina, 1838 to 1861---gold coins. (CC) Carson City, Nevada 1870 to 1893. (D) Dahlonega, Georgia, 1838 to 1861---gold coins. (O) New Orleans, Louisiana, 1838 to 1909.
Mintmarks, or more appropriately the lack of a mintmark, can create confusion. Until 1980 (1979 for the Susan B. Anthony dollar), coins struck in Philadelphia did not bear a mintmark, and U.S. one cent coins produced at that mint still do not. Before assuming the lack of a mintmark dictates an error, consult a value guide to determine which mintmarks were used in a given year
first, send kranky's email suggestion. if that doesn't work, apply mark feld's suggestion. after that, contact ebay, lay out the details for them. then, block him and his emails.
Take a piece of tin foil. Place it on top of the "P" in "PLURIBUS." Press down on the foil making an embossed "P" in the foil. Cut aound the "P" and send it to your buyer. Tell him it must have fallen off.
I E-mailed the other seller he has bought "P" mintmark coins from. So far he has not complained about any of them. Also he has not answered any of my E-Mails. I'm waiting for him to (a)Keep the coin, because he realized he is a dip$hit, (b) return the coin for a refund, or (c) do (a) or (b) and neg me.
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
Marty, tell him if he would like, he can send it back to you and you'll be more than happy to engrave a "P" on the reverse for him. He'll have the only one in the world. Could be VERY valuable. Or not.
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Much as I strongly support sellers posting feedback as soon as they receive money, Marty's feedback (quoted above) is as good a reason as I've seen recently to withhold feedback until you know the deal is complete and the buyer is happy.
I guess the law of averages dictates that every seller will run across an idiot or two occasionally. So far my feedback has been untainted by morons. (Knock on wood).
I would definitely be proactive with ebay, explain the situation to them and see if you can be premptive with neg feedback, if one is left. Also, tell him to walk it into a dealer in his area and see if you are telling the truth, or you can just forward him to this website (although it might be bad for him to see all that are calling him dip%*$% and all) and thread to explain and back up what you are saying. He could certainly also call PCGS or NGC for an explaination as well.
Tell him that you have tried to explain it truthfully to him, and that if he doesn't believe you he can ask anyone you suggest or anyone he can find himself. Other than that tell him there is not much else you can do, since there were no coins minted in 1885 with a P on them, besides refund his money. Also tell him that if he does ever find an authentic 1885 Dollar with a P on the Reverse, you will pay him a thousand bucks for it, since it would just about be the rarest error ever.
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Folks, this is why it is important to wait until the end of a transaction before leaving feedback. People feel that the simple act of paying for an auction in a timely manner warrants an immediate positive feedback. If this seller has already left positive feedback, and the buyer proves to be a scam artist, then there's no easy way to let others know the TRUE outcome of the transaction - thus allowing other sellers to get screwed over too.
I don't mean to drag out a dead horse that has been beaten senseless in this forum (posting feedback), but here's a case in point shared with us by a long-time board member (MadMarty) which I feel other eBay sellers should pay attention to!
Marty.......at least you included a photo of the PCGS slab.......wherein it's quite obvious the grading service "forgot" to add the mint mark on the label! Possibly a reverse photo may have avoided this problem............NOT! lol Joe T
Not much of a difference, really. So if you have an 1885-P Morgan with a mintmark showing........i'd be glad to give you a slight premium for this little tougher "variety".......
Joe T
<< <i><<<if you do not ship me another coin to make up the difference, I, will take further action>>>
And I wonder what the market difference is between an 1885 and 1885-P? >>
The Ex-"Crown Jewel" of my collection! 1915 PF68 (NGC) Barber Half "Eliasberg".
Once again resides with Legend, the original purchaser "raw" at live Eliasberg auction. Laura and i "love" the same lady!
Marty DO NOT RETURN HIS MONEY he doesn't like the fact he paid $41 dollars for a $30- coin and is looking for a way out. Take the hit. he knows dam well whats up. the slab told it all "1885".
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I wonder if he E-Mailed all of the other sellers selling P mintmark coins! I noticed he bid on some P & D Kennedys!!
I checked the Ebay history of your buyer and see that he purchased at least two different lots of "1964P" Kennedy halves, described as such by the sellers. He also purchased others not described as "P" mints. Based on that, I believe that he clearly knew or should have known what he was getting from you and is merely looking to cause trouble.
Tell this idiot to pound sand and take the hit. You have a zillion positives and have been around a long time, he just fell off the turnip truck and landed on eBay. Anybody who looks at the histories will know that you got unlucky and ran in to a toad.
Russ, NCNE
The PCGS slab clearly states the coin as a 1885 S $ and 1885 S $ are much more valuable than 1885-P dollars - if he would kindly return the coin, you will refund his money.
I wouldn't worry about him.
Dan
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And I wonder what the market difference is between an 1885 and 1885-P?
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25. What is a mintmark? What U.S. Mints are currently operating?
Mintmarks designate where a coin was struck. Current mintmarks and mints include:
(P) Philadelphia, 1793 to date---circulating coinage, most pre-1968 proof strikes.
(D) Denver, 1906 to date---circulating coinage.
(S) San Francisco, 1854---proof strikes.
(W) West Point, 1984 to date---bullion issues.
Past U.S. Mints include:
(C) Charlotte, North Carolina, 1838 to 1861---gold coins.
(CC) Carson City, Nevada 1870 to 1893.
(D) Dahlonega, Georgia, 1838 to 1861---gold coins.
(O) New Orleans, Louisiana, 1838 to 1909.
Mintmarks, or more appropriately the lack of a mintmark, can create confusion. Until 1980 (1979 for the Susan B. Anthony dollar), coins struck in Philadelphia did not bear a mintmark, and U.S. one cent coins produced at that mint still do not. Before assuming the lack of a mintmark dictates an error, consult a value guide to determine which mintmarks were used in a given year
ANA FAQ
send kranky's email suggestion. if that doesn't work, apply mark feld's suggestion. after that, contact ebay, lay out the details for them. then, block him and his emails.
Take a piece of tin foil. Place it on top of the "P" in "PLURIBUS." Press down on the foil making an embossed "P" in the foil. Cut aound the "P" and send it to your buyer. Tell him it must have fallen off.
<< <i>Praise : Fast Payment, good communicatuions, a great customer! >>
Much as I strongly support sellers posting feedback as soon as they receive money, Marty's feedback (quoted above) is as good a reason as I've seen recently to withhold feedback until you know the deal is complete and the buyer is happy.
Pete
I guess the law of averages dictates that every seller will run across an idiot or two occasionally. So far my feedback has been untainted by morons. (Knock on wood).
Tell him that you have tried to explain it truthfully to him, and that if he doesn't believe you he can ask anyone you suggest or anyone he can find himself. Other than that tell him there is not much else you can do, since there were no coins minted in 1885 with a P on them, besides refund his money. Also tell him that if he does ever find an authentic 1885 Dollar with a P on the Reverse, you will pay him a thousand bucks for it, since it would just about be the rarest error ever.
morris <><
** I would take a shack on the Rock over a castle in the sand !! **
Don't take life so seriously...nobody gets out alive.
ALL VALLEY COIN AND JEWELRY
28480 B OLD TOWN FRONT ST
TEMECULA, CA 92590
(951) 757-0334
www.allvalleycoinandjewelry.com
I made some really dumba-s comments when I first started collecting, but this is just priceless....you just have to love stupid people
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I don't mean to drag out a dead horse that has been beaten senseless in this forum (posting feedback), but here's a case in point shared with us by a long-time board member (MadMarty) which I feel other eBay sellers should pay attention to!
chris
Joe T
<< <i>Tell him the P is right in front of her forhead!
Once again resides with Legend, the original purchaser "raw" at live Eliasberg auction. Laura and i "love" the same lady!
Joe T
<< <i>Linkie poo!!
I wonder if he E-Mailed all of the other sellers selling P mintmark coins! I noticed he bid on some P & D Kennedys!! >>
Once again resides with Legend, the original purchaser "raw" at live Eliasberg auction. Laura and i "love" the same lady!
Joe T
<< <i><<<if you do not ship me another coin to make up the difference, I, will take further action>>>
And I wonder what the market difference is between an 1885 and 1885-P? >>
Once again resides with Legend, the original purchaser "raw" at live Eliasberg auction. Laura and i "love" the same lady!
A simple education on Mints and Mintamarks would be appropriate. It promotes the hobby and will turn a bad situation into a good one.
Some of my most sophisticated buyers were at one time ignorant of mintmarks, varieties etc.
Knowledge is power....
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he knows dam well whats up. the slab told it all "1885".