Interesting E-Mail from a buyer. With response (this gets even better!)
MadMarty
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I listed a coin on E-Bay, it was an 1885-P Morgan. I received this E-Mail from the buyer today. Thought I share. BTW, I did offer to refund the money for they so choose.
<< <i>dear Marty,thanks for the silver dollar that you sent me,first of all, you listed the silver dollar as an 1885-P morgan silver dollar, when i recieved my coin on 03/17/03, I noticed that this is not an 1885 P morgan silver dollar, there are no such silver dollars that were ever maid!!!!!!!!!, yet you chose to advertise this coin as an 1885-P morgan silver dollar,the only silver dollars that were minted in 1885 were as follows,1885,1885cc,1885o,1885s,,,and the one you sent me was 1885...I really do not appreciate the false addvertising that you did over the internet, e bay,if you do not correct this problem,and get back to me , I , will have to take further action, thanks, >>
<< <i>dear Marty,thanks for the silver dollar that you sent me,first of all, you listed the silver dollar as an 1885-P morgan silver dollar, when i recieved my coin on 03/17/03, I noticed that this is not an 1885 P morgan silver dollar, there are no such silver dollars that were ever maid!!!!!!!!!, yet you chose to advertise this coin as an 1885-P morgan silver dollar,the only silver dollars that were minted in 1885 were as follows,1885,1885cc,1885o,1885s,,,and the one you sent me was 1885...I really do not appreciate the false addvertising that you did over the internet, e bay,if you do not correct this problem,and get back to me , I , will have to take further action, thanks, >>
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
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Tom
That's funny.
Just tell him you'd planned on only ripping off the stupid people and were hoping somebody as sharp as he wouldn't expose your scam.
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Russ, NCNE
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....inflation must be kicking in again this dollar says spend by Dec. 31 2004!
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I would answer something like this:
I'm sorry for any confusion with the Morgan dollar you bought. You are correct in noting the different Morgan dollars from 1885 are often listed as "1885-CC" or "1885-S", etc. for the ones that have mintmarks. The coins minted in Philadelphia during that time do not have an actual mintmark, but collectors usually refer to them as "1885-P" just to make it clear that the mintmark wasn't accidentally overlooked. I encourage you to ask any collector or coin dealer if the coin you bought is typically referred to as an "1885-P" even though there is no actual letter mintmark P on the coin, and if that terminology would be considered "false advertising". You could find many examples of the same terminology in other ebay auctions.
I hope you found the above explanation useful, but in any event, if you aren't happy, please return the coin and I'll be happy to refund your purchase price less the shipping costs.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
I think I'd just cut and paste and email Kranky's post!
I would agree with you, but for this:
<< <i>I really do not appreciate the false addvertising that you did over the internet, e bay,if you do not correct this problem,and get back to me , I , will have to take further action, thanks >>
This ignoramous came right out of the gate threatening Marty with "further" action.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Hey, if the guy is serious he obviously doesn't understand collector terminology. I find it funny, but that doesn't make the buyer stupid - just uneducated.
I would answer something like this:
I'm sorry for any confusion with the Morgan dollar you bought. You are correct in noting the different Morgan dollars from 1885 are often listed as "1885-CC" or "1885-S", etc. for the ones that have mintmarks. The coins minted in Philadelphia during that time do not have an actual mintmark, but collectors usually refer to them as "1885-P" just to make it clear that the mintmark wasn't accidentally overlooked. I encourage you to ask any collector or coin dealer if the coin you bought is typically referred to as an "1885-P" even though there is no actual letter mintmark P on the coin, and if that terminology would be considered "false advertising". You could find many examples of the same terminology in other ebay auctions.
I hope you found the above explanation useful, but in any event, if you aren't happy, please return the coin and I'll be happy to refund your purchase price less the shipping costs. >>
Kranky, That is picture perfect. Well said!
I was recently accused of shipping some P nickels instead of D ones (dates in the early 60s). Fortunately, in my case, all I had to do was point out that for these years the mintmark was on the reverse and if they'd just take a look to the right of Monticello they'd find the D they were looking for.
Another customer complained that they had ordered a "Mint Set" but received an "Uncirculated Set". So, I had to provide a bit of lingo education.
Both of these happened this week already and its only Monday!
WH
And to think all this time, we have been calling you MAD MARTY. Now who's really MAD?
Brian.
- what did the buyer think he was bidding on, and was the picture poor?
I would take time to explain, give it the benefit of doubt that the person needs some numismatic education. I would even go out to find as many advertised 1885p Morgans on eBay as I can, cut-n-paste the results or share the item numbers with the person. If none of that works, a prompt and timely refund would be appropriate.
I guess it is kind of like fishing ... some times you catch nothing, other times you catch keepers, yet other times, you want to throw what you catch right back ... swim away ... be free ...
I love Ike dollars and all other dollar series !!!
I also love Major Circulation Strike Type Sets, clad Washingtons ('65 to '98) and key date coins !!!!!
If ignorance is bliss, shouldn't we have more happy people ??
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I love Ike dollars and all other dollar series !!!
I also love Major Circulation Strike Type Sets, clad Washingtons ('65 to '98) and key date coins !!!!!
If ignorance is bliss, shouldn't we have more happy people ??
<< <i>tthanks,but youlisted this coin as an 1885-p there are none that were ever minted,the coin that u sent me goes for 30.00, you have mis, reppredisent your original claim of this coin being a 1885 p coin, if you do not ship me another coin to make up the difference, I, will take further action, and tell people about your not being truthfullathanks,, billurmin >>
It's Monday are there is a full moon!
I would abandon it at this point. If he negs you, respond to the neg in a polite way. Other "real" collectors will understand that it was his problem.
<< <i>I, will take further action, and tell people about your not being truthfullathanks,, billurmin >> >>
". I have to deal with these at least once a month and have generally found it best to ignore them. Paying any attention to them after a statement of the facts just fuels their idea of having the upper hand and keeps the, if you will pardon the expression, madness going.
MadMarty - could you link the auction? I am curious if this is a new eBayer and
just how misleading your auction was
That sounds like extortion to me. Isn't that against the rules? Probably that guy that tried to shake you down with his fake Proof Morgan auction a couple of weeks ago.
-JamminJ
This guy does sound like a scam artist. It looks like he wants the coin you sent him PLUS!!!
If the approach that Kranky mentioned doesn't work I think you should report him to Ebay for trying to get something extra by holding the feedback and auction over your head. Get him naru'd right away. CYA
Larry
<< <i>he obviously doesn't understand collector terminology but that doesn't make the buyer stupid - just uneducated. >>
Ignorance doesn't equal stupidity, but in my opinion publicly proclaiming facts without checking them first does.
I've been in a similar situation of blackmail, where the guy wouldn't even accept a return of his money AND shipping both ways (per my return policy if he felt the coin was inaccurately described).
My advice would be to politely say you're happy to refund his money if he returns the coin, and if that's not good enough ignore him. That's what I did and it worked out ok.
Don't make yourself crazy about it, there's already enough of that in this world (obviously).
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09/07/2006
Dear so and so: You are one smart dude. I've been offering these "1885-p" dollars for several years now, and you are the first to notice that they are, in fact, 1885 pieces. So, I guess my scan is up -- my deceptive and misleading descriptions have been exposed for what they are by an informed and knowledgeable numismatist.
Of course, I will immediately cease this practice, in light of your threats to take further action. I'm sure E-bay has very stiff penalties for this kind of behaviour, and we both know how vigilant they are against deceptive practices by sellers.
Additionally, I will of course offer a full refund plus postage since you are obviously dissatisfied with the coin you researched so carefully after you purchased it. I was going to offer you a full red 1922 cent in exchange, but realized that you would soon learn there were no such cents minted that year, and be further angered by my offer.
I hope you will see fit to go gently on me in feedback. Just say " advertised 1885-p dollar but sent one without mintmark", and readers will understand where you're coming from.
"The more I know, the less I understand"
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MS66 1885-p Morgan
MadMarty,
You might want to advise this person that it is apparent that he has mis-perceived the way coins are advertised and this transaction needs to be nullified, and any attempt at "further action" will more than likely make him look bad, as anyone with any experience AT ALL with coinage knows that NO morgan dollar (or any US coin prior to 1942 - you may want to verify that) actually has the P (Philadelphia) mintmark on it. Further, you will loudly proclaim his ignorance (pick your term) in any such attempt by him to do anything other than return the coin for a refund.
Hey, don't laugh at me regarding the 1943 P mint comment; that was off the top of my head. BTW, if anyone thinks of a coin with the P prior to then, let me know.
I'll keep quiet about your threats to me about the return fees if you don't bring this up again!
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I was just looking at my collection, and I realized that the 'proof' Kennedys I purchased from you last year have an 'S' mintmark, not the 'PR' that they should have.
You need to send me two real proof Kennedys to avoid further action on my part.