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Should our new coinage express the new more militant spirit of the American people

BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
During WW 1 we had the liberty standing quarter with shield. Perhaps it is time to

return to such representative devices and move away from the dead presidents. Certainly

for one of our regular circulating coins. We could use coinage that is more uplifting and popular with

the general public.
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  • anoldgoatanoldgoat Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭
    The Standing Liberty is one of our best designs but i do disagree to assosciate her on a coin honering war. That ain't what Liberty is all about.

    Semper Fi
    Alright! Who removed the cork from my lunch?

    W.C. Fields
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Not honoring war, but sending a message dont mess with me.
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  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭
    how about a coin with a mushroom cloud on it, and engulfed in fire. we could send them all over seas, you know like iraq, etc. etc. and to people who want to fly airplanes into buildings, and kill people like children.........or who might be thinking about droping nerve gas on us....... and everytime they spend one, it would be just a friendly reminder as to what will befall them..just incase they get any more ideas.............image and on the reverse.......how about a picture of big snake that says.....dont mess with meimage
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    That might be just a wee tad over the top. When someone mentions mushroom,

    I think of steak, then I get hungry, then I have to go eat something. Thanks a lot.image
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  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭


    << <i>That might be just a we tad over the top. When someone mentions mushroom,

    I think of steak, then I get hungry, then I have to go eat something. Thanks a lot.image >>

    ........bear, the wife just put on a fresh pot of coffee, care to join us ? i have some fresh donuts tooimage
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I am tempted , but I get up at 5:30 AM, why escapes me, but I do.

    May have something to do with being a bear.
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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would love new coin designs that had designs of beauty and symbols of the great American export to the world of Hope and freedom!

    War and a militant nature will take us back to the dark ages, not the age of enlightment that America has the ability to accomplish, but seems to be miserably failing!

    Tyler
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Arco - I agree with your statement, I must have stated mine poorly. You have spoken

    what I was really thinking. Thank you. Bearimage
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  • How about a "Susan Sarandon Half" - or a "Martin Sheen Quarter?" image
  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭


    << <i>I would love new coin designs that had designs of beauty and symbols of the great American export to the world of Hope and freedom!

    War and a militant nature will take us back to the dark ages, not the age of enlightment that America has the ability to accomplish, but seems to be miserably failing!

    Tyler >>

    .....................war is hell, but sometimes a militant nature is required so we dont end up back in the dark ages.
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    What would be wrong bringing back the Liberty Standing Quarter. It seemed to

    define us as a people and was among the most beautiful of American Coins.

    My appology to S. America, Central America and Canada who are also known as Americans.
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  • I would love to see Liberty return to one or more of our coins.

    The eagle must be fierce, Liberty must be proud.
  • LOL Id like to see a coin with saddam bent over with a boot in his tuckus.. LOL just kidding. I think we need to go that way to a more alagoric coin theme. Time to get away for the dead presidents.

    Byron
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would love to see Liberty return to one or more of our coins.

    The eagle must be fierce, Liberty must be proud. >>



    Ursa Bear, Very well said and poetic. Next think you will be writing stories for the Forum.

    Actually not a bad idea, we have Tuesdays open.image
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  • Perhaps I shall take a Stabbeth! image

    Bed time for me, got another long day tomorrow...

    Big Bear
  • I agree that we should have new designs on the coins showing what is great with our country. But I have a problem with bringing back classic designs because there are many great coin and medal designers around now that would love to get a shot at desinging a coin if they had a free reign. CHRIS


  • << <i>The Standing Liberty is one of our best designs but i do disagree to assosciate her on a coin honering war. That ain't what Liberty is all about.

    Semper Fi >>


    Liberty IS about freedom, and freedom ISN'T free. Sometimes (often) it has to be fought over to be gained.
    Joe


  • << <i>how about a coin with a mushroom cloud on it, and engulfed in fire. we could send them all over seas, you know like iraq, etc. etc. and to people who want to fly airplanes into buildings, and kill people like children.........or who might be thinking about droping nerve gas on us....... and everytime they spend one, it would be just a friendly reminder as to what will befall them..just incase they get any more ideas............. and on the reverse.......how about a picture of big snake that says.....dont mess with me >>



    ...or how a coin with a bullet hole thru it? it's a simple thought. simple enuff that those morons might get the meaning. plus, a new area of collecting would take off as 'holed' coins - especially the classics - would become all the rage in collecting.
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  • I was thinking something along the lines of Liberty:
    Barber Liberty's face with Peace Liberty's hair and headdress, with perhaps a more modern shape of nose.

    Along the lines of the eagle:
    Something between the Peace eagle and the Washington's eagle, but with arrows (only) clutched in its talons (13 of them).

    Big bear
  • In this age of our general cultural decline, someone is liable to push through an engraving of The Indian slipping Ecstasy into Liberty's drink-so they can "hook up"... image
    CYBERKEN
  • <<That ain't what Liberty is all about.>>

    Ever seen the state motto. "Live Free or Die"? How about "Don't Tread on Me"? Or Nevada's 'Battle Born"?

    Where do you think Liberty is walking/striding TO? The local Food Stamp office?

    And why does Liberty hold a shield on some coins, or appear with a shield reverse on others?

    Perhaps we all get so hung up on PCGS numbers and cross-overs, that we forget to appreciate that which we are collecting...

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    CYBERKEN
  • Can't do the Sarandon Half without severe strike problems. You don't want Hall to have to add comments such as "Full Liposuction (FLc)" do you?

    As for Marty: With, or without the trademark cigarette? I see an accidental rarety in the works... image
    CYBERKEN
  • SpoolySpooly Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭
    How about a coin with a mushroom cloud on it, and engulfed in fire. we could send them all over seas

    ROTFLMAO!!! image I like it!
    Si vis pacem, para bellum

    In God We Trust.... all others pay in Gold and Silver!
  • jeffnpcbjeffnpcb Posts: 1,943
    imageConversely, we could have a reverse design of Clinton flying into England! The Canadians do have certain standards!
    HEAD TUCKED AND ROLLING ALONG ENJOYING THE VIEW! [Most people I know!]

    NEVER LET HIPPO MOUTH OVERLOAD HUMMINGBIRD BUTT!!!

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    Millions on WELFARE depend on you!
  • I would like to see General Patton on a coin. Then make send 1200 of his movie to the middle East.

    Todd
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  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    "sending a message dont mess with me"


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    How about a coin with:

    American soldier bayoneting an Iraqi baby or
    American tank running over some Iraqi children or
    American bomb blowing up Iraqis to bits or
    American general standing atop a heap of Iraqi bodies or
    American mothers crying over their American wardead.

    Let's show the truth of war on a US coin.

    TRUTH
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Truthteller - A smidge too graffic. Such coins would even scare the bear.

    Liberty and a nice shield will do nicely thank you.
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  • Although I feel your passion Truth...I think honoring each division of the armed services with a coin would be a better representation of our patriotism. Of course, seeing Saddam's face through the scope of a snipers gun would make me tingle all over!!!image
    K

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    moments that take our breath away.
  • I'm sure glad I have had my coffee already because I'm a proud member of our Military and to see the post that Truthteller wrote real puts a thorn in my side. I will not highjack this thread and start a flame war with someone as low as you today. You are free to speak your mind thanks in part to those of us who have sacificed more then you can possably imagine. Yes Bear it time to get Liberity back on a coin.
    U S Navy Retired 22 years - ENC(SW) Ret. - Travling Nuclear Maintanence Contractor - Working Indian Point Nuclear plant Buchanan New York
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  • I don't want to kill all the Iraqis.

    Just the bad ones. image
    dwood

    "France said this week they need more evidence to convince them Saddam is a threat. Yeah, last time France asked for more evidence it came rollin thru Paris with a German Flag on it." -Dave Letterman
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    'someone as low as you today'

    **************

    Hmmm? Stop and made you think? Good, tell your superiors your a true American and do not want a war.

    TRUTH
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    The question of this thread is not the right or wrong of going to war.

    It was to send a message to the world ,thru our coinage , that we are a land of

    freedom and of hope, and we stand ready to defend those values against all comers.
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  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Bear,

    I will agree with you. However, if we go to war, an unprovoked war, unsupport by the world, this country will shatter those freedoms and hopes and virtues. We will not be defending democracy, merely stomping on it. Let's show the truth through our coinage?

    TRUTH
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Friedman recently had an article in the N.Y. Times about this war ,being a war of choice.

    He did not argue with the threat of SH to this country or the world, but did express the view

    that we had not done a good enough job of telling the American people of the true reasons and the

    risks in post war Iraq. The problem with the world community, is that with the demise of the

    Soviet Union, the balance of power between two super powers has desintergrated into each nation

    for itself. While France, Germany, Russia helped build Saddams war machine and chemical

    warefare ability and France has certainly benefited from rich oil contracts, there is no true moral

    imperative by most nations to do anythingbut enrich commerce and expand geopolitical power.

    The security council is the last vestige of that old imperial status that France enjoyed so many years ago.

    To impede and embarass the USA hase become an international sport at the worlds greatest

    debating society. Freed of the threat of Soviet invasion, NATO is slowly crumbling as different sub

    coalitions of nations seek to exert power and influence over the ECU and all of Europe. They remain

    dependent on the American condumer to buy their products, the USA armed forces to protect their

    borders and USA money to solve their problems. We are surrounded with uncertain allies in a fractured

    world. America is in a world wide war that involves terrorists of assorted flavors, and rogue states

    with the money and technology to furnish the terror groups with the weapons they need to do us

    greavious harm. The UN has wasted 6 months of precious time in a vain effort to find a solution. Time

    to allow Saddam to prepare his troops, weapons and suicide squads. Time to cause many more

    American casualties in the event war comes. The truth of the matter is that France, Germany , Belgium

    do not wish a solutuion, they wish to delay so that the heat of the desert will delay a war for another

    year. A year in which they can continue to do bussiness with Saddam. Germany has been active in

    helping Libya, N. Korea, Iraq and other despotic regimes build poisen gas facilities. Perhaps because

    our moralistic ,quasi allie has had such a long experience with poisen gas and its mass use. There is

    little moral authority left in the world, but what there is I hope resides in this nation. Even our staunch

    ally England will remain only as long as Tony Blair is able to hold on to his position. According to some

    reports , that is becoming more questionable with each passing day. Make no mistake, our nation stands

    alone because other nations resent and fear the very land that defended their freedoms, rebuilt their

    nations with the Marshall Plan, and nurished their soil with the blood of our nations sons. We will stand

    alone if we must, but we will stand tall and proud , beside our beautiful flag of liberty.

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  • This American person does not have a militant spirit.
  • Well Mr. Bear, in the spirit of true patriotism - how about a couple of chicken hawk coins? Here are two outstanding candidates. Oh yes -sources for this information. The American Conservative, The New Yorker, the Congressional Record and the Washington Post (something for everybody).

    First Mr. Richard N. Perle, the chairman of the Defense Policy Board, who is one of the most outspoken and influential American advocates of war with Iraq. The man most credited with convincing the Bush administration to abandon the Joint Chiefs of Staff preference to continue a policy of containment against Iraq, in favor of an immediate war. Perle is also a managing partner in a venture-capital company called Trireme Partners L.P., which was registered in November, 2001, in Delaware. Trireme’s main business, according to a two-page letter that one of its representatives sent to last November, is to invest in companies dealing in technology, goods, and services that are of value to homeland security and defense according to Saudi-born businessman Adnan Khashoggi, who brokered billions of dollars in arms and aircraft sales for the Saudi royal family, earning hundreds of millions in commissions and fees. The letter argued that the fear of terrorism would increase the demand for such products in Europe and in countries like Saudi Arabia and Singapore. Perle’s company stands to make tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars if there is a war with Iraq. Yes folks, good old No. 1 chicken hawk Richard Perle, I’m sure he really cares about who gets killed, and not about the potential millions he stands to make from a war.

    And for our brave men and women in uniform, how about an award for Rep.Bill Thomas, the Republican Chairman of the House and Means Committee. The Senate wanted to put measures into the military tax bill that would increase benefits for National guard and reserve soldiers who moved or to help them more with greater deductions for travel expense. Good old boy and flag waving chicken hawk Rep. Thomas balked at more direct tax relief for our soldiers, instead he capped the measures and took up some nice additional tax breaks for rich investors – and no dollar limit! Wave that flag Rep. Thomas, while you take money of the pockets of our men and women in uniform and increase the welfare for the rich and for the corporate interests that are the folks you truly care for.

    I suggest some Chicken Hawk commemorative coins – the Richard Perle Profiteering Commemorative and the Rep. Bill Thomas Stick to the Uniformed Services Commemorative. After all, many who oppose the war are doing it on moral and ethical grounds, but some of the main proponents can’t wait to cash in – but they wave flags and shout “War, war!”, so they must be true patriots, right?

    From a true conservative in the tradition of Dwight Eisenhower and Barry Goldwater; not the neo-conservative, money-grubbing, amoral chicken hawks. Thank you.
  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278
    When we do eventually go to war will you (TruthTeller and Southern Belle in particular) continue to critique, critisize and tear down the moral of this country and those who so valiantly put their lives on the line so you can ramble your dribble, or will you do the American thing and actually pull together with the country so we can get this over with and avoid another senseless slaughter of thousands of our citizens???? Did you have any loved ones that perished on 9/11? Did you have friends or people you knew that jumped out of windows 80 stories up to avoid the flames? That, I guess, is what makes this country great; your right to dribble nonesence and stupidity and my right to look down on you with disgust!
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Claus,

    I understand your ignorance, linking 9/11 to the Iraqis. Sometimes it can't be helped, your hate for others than yourself. But try to understand something, my freedoms to point the wrongs of this society are very cherished by me. Unfortunately, you go along with the herd: "Iraqis must die, they are murders, they should be killed, the bricks and bombs should be thrown, they killed Jesus, burn the books, burn the Synagogues, burn in Auschwitz, kill, kill, kill". You see, you just might turn out to be a Nazi without knowing it.

    TRUTH
  • Truthteller, I see you haven't stopped reading Chomsky.
    Even your handle is a lie. FReegards!

    edited: I can't go misspelling the good lunatic's name now can I. image
  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278
    I don't link 9/11 to the Iraqi people, only their form of tin horn dictatorship that would allow and sponsor this event to again happen. Saddam (along with other tin horn dictators) are cancers that need to be removed for world stability, IMHO. I have no quarrel with the Iraqi people other than they are too stupid to overthrow this despot and live in freedom. As for me being a Nazi without knowing it; I doubt it, I've known a few former Nazi's and I'm definetly not one. Êtes-vous certain vous n'êtes-vous pas français?
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    ' Êtes-vous certain vous n'êtes-vous pas français? '

    !Nein, aber ich kann ein Nazi sehen, und es ist dir!

    TRUTH

  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278
    Believe what you will,??TruthTeller??? What a laugh! You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you in the a$$.
  • hey LieTeller - make sure and read this one
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  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Bsqr,

    Is that really the best you can do? Next time you'll be drawing pictures instead of using words. So sad.

    TRUTH
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    Slander and Ad Hominem is all you've got.
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Hah! That's very funny, I didn't know you could draw so well. But you cut George Bush out of the picture, since he was sitting in the last chair.

    TRUTH
  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278
    "I disagree with what you say, but I would fight to the death to uphold your right to say it."
  • TT said, "Hah! That's very funny, I didn't know you could draw so well. But you cut George Bush out of the picture, since he was sitting in the last chair.

    There ya have it folks. George Bush is the equivalent of Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, Bin Laden, Castro, Saddam, and Kim Jong Il.

    How can anyone who believes such bunk even be taken seriously? Obviously, they can't.
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Thanks folks for attending our three ringed circus. Tomorrow will have have another grouping of clowns for your enjoyment. Remember, no refunds since this forum is free.





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  • ClausUrchClausUrch Posts: 1,278
    I'll second the "free" part!

    PLONCK

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