Special Bust Half Variety?

kieferscoins

Is there a special variety for this 1806 Bust half? PCGS attributed the pointed 6, but I was wondering if there is more to it than that:

1806 Half

Cameron Kiefer

EVillageProwler

Besides PCGS blessing this as a "Pointed 6 w/ Stems" Red Book variety, what more is there? Plenty... If you are so inclined, try attributing this coin by Overton variety; perhaps the coin is a scarcer die marriage or state.

EVP

kieferscoins

OK. Sounds like fun. Can it be done by pictures or can it only be done by the pictures?

Cameron Kiefer

smprfi

1806 pointed 6 #115 in overton.Double cut ty in liberty. Obv. 9 Rev. k.
R.1 on the rarity scale.
Nice find and good luck.

dorkkarl

i think this is no longer an r5, it's an r4. suggestion: limit your premium to 25%. (r5 premium could be 200 - 300%). grade looks accurate, nice rev. color.

K S

smprfi

OK an R.4 would be81 to 200 known.

kieferscoins

You think it is closer to the 80 or 200 known? I have my high bid @ $350.00 and was wondering if I am bidding too much.

Cameron Kiefer

smprfi

My personal opinion is that that is right near what I would have bid.Nice coin and a better rarity scale.As for what is exactly known I have no idea,but even at 200 out of 838,576 minted I would say that this is a great find.If you are going to get into die varieties get Overtons book,it is excellent.

dorkkarl

imo, it's a $400 coin.

K S

Spinynorman

Would you mind looking up another one, smprfi? I know it's a pointed 6 no stem through claw, but I've never gotten the Overton number on it.

1806 half

Nysoto

Norman,

The 1806 "no stem, pointed 6" is O-109. As an R.1, this is the most common of all draped bust half dollar varieties. The late die state, O-109a, is an R.4. The coin you have posted is an intermediate die state, with some of the stars drawing to the edge, but without the die cracks to make it an O-109a.

If this was a "knob 6, no stem" (O-108) it would be a $50,000+ coin, there are only 4 known!

Kieferscoins,

O-114 prime without the huge reverse die break is still an R.5, O-114a with the die break is an R.4. I do not have my Overton book handy, but this could be an O-115 or O-116 because of the late state of the obverse die, note the die crack by the date of the obverse that makes the 0 look like a Q. O-114 has an earlier obverse die state.

Spinynorman

Thank you, Nysoto.

smprfi

Nysoto seams to know a lot and if he can remember these things without the book he is a better person than I am.I gave my observations based on what I saw and the book.I sent him a PM with my observations on Normans coin. I hope he will come back and clarify.
I think it is a 109a, but like I said I will yield to his experience.I just started die variety collecting and I'm still learning.The book is a great help and I recommend it to everyone.

Nysoto

Kieferscoins,

Just checked with the ex-Russ Logan 1806 O-114a, this variety has the lowest berry left of the A in America. The coin you posted has the berry in-between the A, like an O-115 (common R.1)

I will validate tomorrow with my Overton book (unless someone else can attribute this coin today).

The "Q" effect on the 0 was once a variety on very old price guides, O-114 to O-117 share this obverse die but I believe only 115 - 117 have this "Q" effect on the die crack.

I agree with Dorkkarl this is a $400 coin, but with the "PCGS premium" illusion it may realize more.

For the 1806 O-109, I have seen many on ebay listed as 109a's without full attributes of the 109a in an effort to get R.4 money. There is always a "gray area" with sub-variety attribution, but the true 109a's are obvious with a large die crack under the date.

For the draped bust series, R.4's do not command to much of a rarity premium as few people collect these by die state, like Dorkkarl says no more than 25%. The R.5 premium is more like 50-100% (I just won the Heritage 1807 O-101 XF45 R.5 @ $1725, probably third finest).

sinin1

Don't know overton's


Looks like there is in interesting die crack through the date and to the left - also forming a small cud near the lower right of the 0 (zero) in the date.

Maybe you should email the guy and ask for a close-up near the date.