Conder101 and all: New Sample slab and others from LB

kieferscoins

Hi,

I just got back from the Long Beach Coin show and had a great time. Instead of cherypicking coins, I cherrypicked slabs from dealers and got some great bargains. Conder101: Have you seen this type of Hallmark slab before? Andy Lustig from www.eurekatrading.com gave this one to me. Awesome:



I also bought 2 Hallmark blue label slabs from the early 1990's that they made for a limited time for non US coins. It seems like there are two types. On the KM # is below the grade and the other it is towards the bottom.



Last but not least is a cool NGC sample slab with a steel cent in it. I had never seen that kind before and paid srong money for it from a dealer.




Cameron Kiefer

jeffnpcb

Are those from PCI?

kieferscoins

The top three are from Hallmark before it was sold to PCI. David Bowers owned Hallmark.

Cameron Kiefer

braddick

Cameron- those two are actually old insert PCI slabs (not Hallmark: the giveaway is no "Hallmark" on the clear plastic, above the insert, on the obverse holder like the first sample shows). PCI used these blue outlined inserts for awhile on foreign and graded tokens.

They went back to the green outlined inserts after awhile though, making these scarce (but not rare- I picked one up too at the show).

Neat slabs though!
-When you get a chance, show everyone your "new" old NGC holder. That one's cool.

kieferscoins

I knew that Braddick. The giveaway like he said is the Hallmark logo on the top front of the slab. I was wrong. Give me a sec to scan that old NGC slab.

Cameron Kiefer

kieferscoins

Braddick is your blue label PCI slab have the KM # on the bottom or under the grade. It looks like there may be two different types in the insert. Here is my early NGC slab I got for $25!



Cameron Kiefer

airplanenut

Cameron- you mean you didn't BUY the PQ dollar?

braddick

Cameron, I'll have to look at it again. It's a brass copy of the Confederate dollar. Really a stupid "coin", but it caught my fancy.

-The Dealer couldn't get it out of his case fast enough when I showed interest.

kieferscoins

That always helps. For each slab with the blue label I paid less than $40 for. The dealers didn't know that it was rare. I sure didn't tell them! Maybe conder will have some insight on the two types when he logs in.

Cameron Kiefer

kieferscoins

TTT. For Conder.

Cameron Kiefer

oreville

Groovey..............errrrr............ COOL!

shirohniichan

That's an interesting counterstamp on that 1859 dollar.

Dog97

Those are neat. I have the sister to your steel penny. Next in line on the same submission form:

kieferscoins

Neat dog seeing it's sister slab. Do you think all the steel samle slabs were MS-65 or a variety of grades?

Cameron Kiefer

Dog97

I would guess that they simply opened a roll and arbitrarily called them all 65s since NGC was entering them in to a dummy database.
Conder101 makes mention of PCGS not wanting people to think they were true grades so they started using MS00 and I would assume NGC did the same with their FA00 series.

Conder101

Sorry for the delays, I'm about three days behind on forum reading.

WOW Cameron nice haul!

As has been mentioned already the blue labels are PCI and they are scarce, I've seen maybe two dozen pieces. I'm going to have to take another look at the ones I have. With the differing placement of the KM number from the fourth to the sixth line those may constitute seperate varieties. I need to review other specimens to see if one placement was standard of if they tended to vary depending on the length of the country name and denomination. But when you consider that one has denomination- country and KM directly below, and the other has country with denomination below that and the KM two lines further down I think that is a strong case for a new variety.

The Halmark sample is very interesting. It actually has a picture of a coin in it? To this point I have only seen one variety of HALLMARK sample and it is not like this one. It has SAMPLE in the location where yours has the grade, so this one would also be new.

The Steel cent sample appears to be an NGC 4S2 unless the back does not have a hologram label. I have seen others of this variety with other coins in them. I do not own a steel cent one, but I am not collecting them by date and mint like Dog is.

I'm also impressed with your NGC 2 slab! (1940 Merc) That is a TOUGH slab to find! It had a smaller production than the Black NGC but doesn't draw the same attention because it has a white insert like all of the others. That plain white label just didn't work though did it.

Could I get scans of the backs of the HALLMARK sample and the Netherlands PCI slab so I can put them in the file for the second edition?

By the way, I heard that NGC was handing out sample slabs at the show. Did anyone pick one up and what do they look like? I also heard that they had their coffee mugs as well. If they have them again next time (I think their next big show is Baltimore) can some one pick one up for me? It ties in to the slabbing memorabilia plus I have a weakness for advertising coffee mugs.

kieferscoins

Sure, I will scan them this weekend for you. The NGC sample pieces look like this:



Cameron Kiefer

kieferscoins

"I would guess that they simply opened a roll and arbitrarily called them all 65s since NGC was entering them in to a dummy database."

I agreeded dog until now. Here is a MS-64 steel sample cent with the same grade as your MS-65, yet mine is a 64! What was NGC doing? Using the same numbers?



Cameron Kiefer

braddick

<< <i>Sorry for the delays, I'm about three days behind on forum reading. WOW Cameron nice haul! As has been mentioned already the blue labels are PCI and they are scarce, I've seen maybe two dozen pieces. I'm going to have to take another look at the ones I have. With the differing placement of the KM number from the fourth to the sixth line those may constitute seperate varieties. I need to review other specimens to see if one placement was standard of if they tended to vary depending on the length of the country name and denomination. But when you consider that one has denomination- country and KM directly below, and the other has country with denomination below that and the KM two lines further down I think that is a strong case for a new variety. The Halmark sample is very interesting. It actually has a picture of a coin in it? To this point I have only seen one variety of HALLMARK sample and it is not like this one. It has SAMPLE in the location where yours has the grade, so this one would also be new. The Steel cent sample appears to be an NGC 4S2 unless the back does not have a hologram label. I have seen others of this variety with other coins in them. I do not own a steel cent one, but I am not collecting them by date and mint like Dog is. I'm also impressed with your NGC 2 slab! (1940 Merc) That is a TOUGH slab to find! It had a smaller production than the Black NGC but doesn't draw the same attention because it has a white insert like all of the others. That plain white label just didn't work though did it. Could I get scans of the backs of the HALLMARK sample and the Netherlands PCI slab so I can put them in the file for the second edition? By the way, I heard that NGC was handing out sample slabs at the show. Did anyone pick one up and what do they look like? I also heard that they had their coffee mugs as well. If they have them again next time (I think their next big show is Baltimore) can some one pick one up for me? It ties in to the slabbing memorabilia plus I have a weakness for advertising coffee mugs. >>



Cameron and Conder- Here's that Blue Label PCI I was talking about (now on eBay):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=528&item=3012841968&rd=1