1964 Kennedy half - is this one real or AT?

Russ · February 21, 2003 7:50AM

I really have no idea (not my coin, BTW). Is it real or baked, and why/why not?

Russ, NCNE

rainbowroosie · February 21, 2003 7:56AM

Looks very nice to me!

jbsteven · February 21, 2003 7:56AM

that coin looks familiar, was it for sale recently?

at.......... i am about 50/50 on this one

where is gsaguy or tonekiller when we need them. gsaguy is probably polishing his head for next week and the hooker I am getting him to keep him busy during the toned dollar auction!

Dog97 · February 21, 2003 7:59AM

Hmmm.....I kinda gunshy nowdays and that reminds me of some of the easyman/swimmer coins discussed lately so I'm not going to jump up and yell it's real tone.

KlectorKid · February 21, 2003 8:00AM

Seems a bit spoltchy I am leaning towards AT a bit.

Russ · February 21, 2003 8:02AM

Dog,

Thanks for the definitive response.

Russ, NCNE

fivecents · February 21, 2003 8:06AM

Russ,

The almost white obverse is a plus. The colors on the reverse look kind of funky. Still I would guess it is real. imho

Paul

Baley · February 21, 2003 8:08AM

looks pretty fake, but have seen worse.

I'd give it a 3 on the

10 = anaconda

1 = atswimmer

scale

DCAMFranklin · February 21, 2003 8:09AM

<< Hmmm.....I kinda gunshy nowdays and that reminds me of some of the easyman/swimmer coins discussed lately so I'm not going to jump up and yell it's real tone. >>

You're right Dog97. That reverse looks exactly like one of the ASwimmer coins!

Morganluver · February 21, 2003 8:12AM

That's definately an interesting one. The color(hues) look ok but they are colors you migh expect to see on a Roosie instead of a Kennedy. That's one I would really need to see in person to make a final judgement. I believe that one is raw, correct?

Russ · February 21, 2003 8:15AM

Morganluver,

Yep, it's raw.

Russ, NCNE

ah · February 21, 2003 8:17AM

Looks cooked to me but, I am just learning, and I could be incorrect.

IrishMike · February 21, 2003 8:20AM

Dunno if it is or not Russ, my guess is AT, Dcam it might remind dog of swimmer coins but it looks very little like his crap, but nice try.

Morganluver · February 21, 2003 8:20AM

Thanks Russ.

Didn't that one sell a couple of weeks ago and just resurfaced on auction again by the same seller indicating that it was returned?

Russ · February 21, 2003 8:21AM

I don't know if it sold previously, but it is currently listed.

Russ, NCNE

Morganluver · February 21, 2003 8:23AM

It almost looks like it could be an envelope toned coin, although if so, you would expect the obverse to have a little more color, particularly around the periphery.

Russ · February 21, 2003 8:25AM

In the auction listing it says end roll toning. Do envelope and end roll look similar?

Russ, NCNE

GTOster · February 21, 2003 8:29AM

Question?
Not trying to be a smart a$$ Because I dont know
But why if it is cooked is only one side toned Just trying to learn

Paul

Russ · February 21, 2003 8:32AM

Paul,

I'm still learning myself, but from what I understand, toned on only one side is a good thing. It usually indicates end roll toning. But, I'd assume that coin doctors also make them this way, since monster toning on both sides is considered a red flag.

Russ, NCNE

CLASSICS · February 21, 2003 8:33AM

that looks like one of swimmers coins.......

Russ · February 21, 2003 8:42AM

To clarify something; it's not listed by swimmer or easyman.

Russ, NCNE

stman · February 21, 2003 8:53AM

I would pass on this one. I don't think it looks like endroll. I don't like the way the purple is splotchy looking.

Colors don't look to blend together, just kind of looks like they were put there. Even if you tell me it's in a pcgs holder, I would still pass.

Morganluver · February 21, 2003 8:55AM

End roll toning will almost always have some kind of geometric pattern produced from the paper fold creases. Technically, envelope and end roll would be the same because the paper from the envelope and the roll are basically the same material. If you or someone kept opening the end of the roll thereby moving the folds and creases each time, then you would probably not get the well defined geometric lines that develop when the roll is left alone undisturbed for a decade or two or three. So yes, this could be an end roll that was disturbed at some point before being removed. IMO, though, a true end roll needs to have some geometric pattern visable, otherwise it is basically just envelope toning. I hope I've made some sense.

GTOster · February 21, 2003 8:58AM

Russ
I have a 66 SMS kennedy I picked up in a deal with a bunch in a box all in 2x2 flips this Kennedy was in an SMS set at the bottem of the box and the obv is a light blue that goes into a gold it starts at the rim at 9:00 and goes over the entire coin to 3:00 to where it is the gold color it goes up and over all lettering but the rev. is very nice as it only has a hint of gold around the lettering (I wish I had a scanner)
so I dont think it was played with because I cracked it out of the SMS set myself but you never know The reason I bring this up is the end of roll factor would not apply on this one as it was in the set any Idea?
Paul

Cam40 · February 21, 2003 9:05AM

Hmmm.A Mona Lisa smile,long eye lashes,a cute dot on the cheek,flowery colors on its butt.
Thats a Gay JFK dude.Dont touch it.Its got coodies.

Russ · February 21, 2003 9:08AM

Paul,

As I said, I'm still learning and really know very little about this stuff (thus the reason for threads like this), but if I were to guess, I say that the coin you described might be album toning; particularly since you mentioned that a bit of the gold toning appears on the basically untoned side.

But, who knows. This stuff is very confusing for me.

Russ, NCNE

NumisEd · February 21, 2003 9:15AM

But, who knows. This stuff is very confusing for me.

Hey Russ, cut the "I am so humble" crap. You are very knowledgeable about toning and coins in general, based on your posts. You know and I know that the Kennedy you imaged is totally AT. Makes me sick seeing that unnatural toning.

Now, I have a suprise for you. It's a lovely '64 Kennedy with REAL toning. Wanna see it? I will make some images and post them soon. My images will settle this whole AT thing once and for all.

Also, the coin that I will soon post is for sale if you want it. I am asking $10 for it. This is not a joke.

braddick · February 21, 2003 9:16AM

The Seller is local and honest. It's why I'm bidding and watching this one.
I like the coin, but if anyone likes it more- snipe me.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11974&item=3008354363&rd=1

GTOster · February 21, 2003 9:17AM

Thanks Russ

DCAMFranklin · February 21, 2003 9:20AM

<< Dunno if it is or not Russ, my guess is AT, Dcam it might remind dog of swimmer coins but it looks very little like his crap, but nice try. >>

Hey Mike, you are being out-voted. Classics, Dog97 and I all agree the coin looks like a ASwimmer coin. Nice try........

The coin has been sold on Ebay recently. I recognize the pimple on Pres. Kennedy's cheekbone.

NumisEd · February 21, 2003 9:20AM

Holly smokes. I just looked at the ebay auction and it's up to $33. I am going to raise the price of my REAL toned 1964 half to $30.

........images soon.

Cam40 · February 21, 2003 9:22AM

I just wanna know if a coin is wildly colored from being cleaned a long time ago and maybe just stored poorly?
And how do we know what colors are put there intentionally and not by happenstance.
Its a sticky wicket this AT vs NT debate.

Morganluver · February 21, 2003 9:26AM

NumisEd

Before it goes any higher post your pic so I can buy it please.

tsacch · February 21, 2003 9:27AM

AT

Russ · February 21, 2003 9:50AM

<< Hey Russ, cut the "I am so humble" crap. You are very knowledgeable about toning and coins in general, based on your posts. You know and I know that the Kennedy you imaged is totally AT. >>

Hey Eddie,

I wish I were very knowledgeable about toning but I'm not, which is why I ask a lot of questions. Thank you for your input, though, I will certainly give it all of the consideration that it merits.

Russ, NCNE

dorkkarl · February 21, 2003 10:30PM

imo, a-t, & market unacceptable.

you can create perfectly similar toning by stacking 2 kennedies together, putting them on a hot-plate. the bottom side facing the heat will tone, the top-side will not (unless it's cooked for too long or too hot).

do not try this at home ..... unless you have a hot plate.

K S

dwood · February 21, 2003 10:52PM

Haven't we already determined that this is AT? Its the same coin discussed in this thread, isn't it?

Bear · February 21, 2003 11:35PM

I like my toned coins toasted well ,with a little maple syrup on top. In season ,I like a few

strawberries place artistically around the coin. A tad of whipped cream on top couldnt hurt either.

IrishMike · February 21, 2003 11:47PM

DCAM, you can continue to parse words all you want, but what you say is not what they others said, to quote you "its looks exactly like", Dog said reminds him of one his, and classics said looks like one. Neither one of them said what you did.

dwood · February 21, 2003 11:58PM

When I find myself in times of trouble,
Forum members call to me.
Speaking words of wisdom, "It's AT."

And in the auction listings
it is standing right in front of thee.
Not its not original, it's AT...

It's AT, can't you see?
Kennedys at high degrees.
Even though a member sells it,
It's AT.

My apologies to the Beatles, and in particular, Mr. McCartney

LucyBop · February 22, 2003 12:02AM

<< DCAM, you can continue to parse words all you want, >>

He can't help himself, wonder if Carol will consider this stirring the pot again, as he always does...

sinin1 · February 22, 2003 12:26AM

It looks like the one relayer describes in another thread that came back from PCGS in a bodybag as "cleaned or whizzed"

cointoast · February 22, 2003 12:44AM

He can't help himself, wonder if Carol will consider this stirring the pot again, as he always does...

Isn't that comment stirring the pot a bit?

LucyBop · February 22, 2003 12:46AM

<< Isn't that comment stirring the pot a bit? >>

Its more like adding pepper and a few other spices to the pot....

Russ · February 22, 2003 1:08AM

<< Haven't we already determined that this is AT? Its the same coin discussed in this thread, isn't it? >>

Actually, dwood, this thread was posted first.

Russ, NCNE

DCAMFranklin · February 22, 2003 3:29AM

<< He can't help himself, wonder if Carol will consider this stirring the pot again, as he always does...

Isn't that comment stirring the pot a bit?

>>

Busted! Poor Lucille. Caught again.

The coin is clearly AT and the work does look just like ASwimmer's work. Relayer, where did you buy the coin?

LucyBop · February 22, 2003 3:30AM

<< Busted! Poor Lucille. Caught again. >>

OOOooby Dooooby!

freeblue · February 22, 2003 4:09AM

Hmm, that looks like a nice one (even I suspect it might be AT??... not sure).

IS this one you guys are talking about?

Oops. braddick already got it linked.

relayer · February 22, 2003 4:59AM

Well I see my auction got it's own thread. Cool.

It is NOT AT.

It is Cleaned or Whizzed.

PCGS says so.

Cleaned 50c

epruyne · February 22, 2003 5:06AM

Well if it is AT it's chemical or something...at least in my opinion. I baked a nickel/dime/Kennedy from a proof set that I broke open for an Ike to see what baked coins looked like. From this experience at least one side was a bright blue and the other side was a bright gold multi-colored rainbow. From doing this I at least now have an idea on what to look for...and no I have no intention on selling or anything.

I wish I could post a picture of them but I am without a camera until I decide to go out and buy one.

NumisEd · February 22, 2003 5:31AM

Relayer, did you actually pay $90 for your AT, cleaned and body bagged half?

1964 Kennedy half - is this one real or AT?

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