Not real happy with NGC right now

danglen

I found what I thought was an 1918/17 Buffalo nickel in a roll of circulated Buffalo nickels a while back. I could barely see the date, but the top of the eight looked flat, so I thought it might be genuine. I waited until the FUN Show to have NGC take a look at it. David Lange checked it out and agreed that it was the real thing. WHOOPEEE! I went ahead and submitted it, (Early Bird because it was over a $300.00 coin) and waited patiently for my coin to come back. It arrived today in a bodybag

It seems there was a "planchet flaw" on the reverse. Now, the last time I checked, a "planchet flaw" was a mint error. Why wasn't it slabbed as an error? All I know is that I'm out about $40.00 on the experience. By the way, I did get a post-it note on the bodybag saying that NCS would slab it for me.

Placid

Post on the ngc forums maybe they will respond.

kieferscoins

How can a planchet flaw be listed as a Mint Error. That is a flaw with the planchet and not in the actual minting process like a clipped planchet or double die coin. Sorry to hear about the experience. Did Mr. Lange only look at the date or did he inspect the whole coin including the rev.?

Cameron Kiefer

nwcs

Still, I think a planchet flaw is one of those that can get slabbed as a mint error. It isn't a striking error, but a planchet preparation error which still gets in error slabs. Consider that there are broken planchet coins in PCGS slabs (remember the guy brokencc on the board? had a broken planchet CC dollar in 2 PCGS slabs). I'm a little surprised. Unless it was mislabeled a planchet flaw and was more properly classified as damage.

EVillageProwler

Dave Lange only does authentication and attribution. He does not grade. (Not to say that he doesn't know how to grade!)

It's been my experience that some planchet flaws get BB'ed, and some do not. It depends on the severity and nature of the flaw.

I also recommend that you post this across the street. At the very least, someone will respond in a fairly timely fashion!

Best of luck with this... And, congrats on your score (in having found this coin to begin with)!

EVP

EVillageProwler

One example of a planchet flaw that routinely gets BB'ed are those rare early CC dimes that have corrosion. The corrosion is due to a planchet flaw -- the planchets were improperly mixed, resulting in a composition that was too pure in silver.

EVP

gmarguli

As EVP said, David Lange isn't a grader there and he will make that very clear to anyone who wants a grade opinion.

On the back of the PCGS bodybag, planchet flaw is listed as one of the reason for a bodybag. Send it to ANACS. They'll slab it.

tradedollarnut

Send it to NCS - don't you get a credit for the fee you already spent at NGC?

dorkkarl

bummer

K S

danglen

TDN,

If NCS gives you credit for NGC bodybag fees, no one has ever told me about it. It would be nice to know if they did. But if NCS would slab it, once they determined NGC wouldn't, why didn't they just put it in an NCS slab? I would have been a lot happier with that outcome.

braddick

A minor planchet flaw should NOT get a coin bagged.

What other pre-striking problems get a coin bodybagged?

If planchet flaws get a coin bagged, then so should any pre-striking planchet file marks.
Fair is fair.

danglen

Actually, if they slabbed it as an error, I would have been a LOT happier. I mean, how many "planchet flaw" 18/17 BNs have you seen out there?

RotatedRainbows

Struck thru is an error, planchet flaw is essentially mint damage since the flaw accured during the planchet preparation process.

MacCoin

kind of like a crap shot ain't it. well buckup my friend thats the way it goes in this hobby. I always use a dealer when in question and he'll let me know if he don't think it will grade or not. if he say it will I ask for a guarantee. sometimes he will, sometime he won't. if not I take the coin home. like gmarguli said ANACS slabs almost anything if there is problem the put it on the slab and/or netgrade it.

gmarguli

If NCS gives you credit for NGC bodybag fees, no one has ever told me about it.

I believe they give you $3 if you send them the bodybag insert from any other service.


But if NCS would slab it, once they determined NGC wouldn't, why didn't they just put it in an NCS slab?

Because you didn't send it to NCS, you sent it to NGC. NCS is going to charge you for slabbing the coin. You might not be happy to get your coin back from NGC with an additional bill for NCS.

danglen

<< <i>Because you didn't send it to NCS, you sent it to NGC. NCS is going to charge you for slabbing the coin. You might not be happy to get your coin back from NGC with an additional bill for NCS. >>



Actually, I didn't send it to them. I handed it to them at FUN, and at the same time and at the same table handed several coins to NCS for conservation. You might have thought that someone looking at the coin could have suggested giving it to NCS for authentication, rather than NGC when they had to know it was going to be bodybagged.