Open Up the Registeries, once and for all.
braddick
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Bottom line: You don't want others to "see" your set(s), don't register them until you do.
ALL sets should be opened up for viewing. It's a 'REGISTRY' guys! If you want a place to privately park your inventory, seek it elsewhere.
Registry Administrator: Give those with closed Registeries two weeks Then kill the feature that allows sets to be closed.
ALL sets should be opened up for viewing. It's a 'REGISTRY' guys! If you want a place to privately park your inventory, seek it elsewhere.
Registry Administrator: Give those with closed Registeries two weeks Then kill the feature that allows sets to be closed.
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Let the people keep their sets registered, just don't let them be listed in the standings.
Cameron Kiefer
09/07/2006
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>Yea !!.... No Pictures and Your Gone Also !!!... How do we know these are just not Certs ??....Clean this Mess Up !!.....Now !! >>
Okay, okay- but if you're going to that extreme, give me more time. . .
Cameron- I know what you mean, but they'll shake it off and get over it.
It's not that painful.
peacockcoins
The coins are still theirs and will be the #1 set even if PCGS makes them take it off. It won't fool anybody and your set (directed at no-one in particluar) will not get higher up.
Cameron Kiefer
<< <i>90%.....Beans to that, it must be 95% or above. Get rid of the Rif Raff !!! Now !!! >>
That's kind of already in play. A Set that hasn't seen action, after a period of time, is placed on notice by the Administrator.
For now let's just concentrate on getting rid of the riff. The raff will come later. . .
peacockcoins
Face it, the PCGS goal is to get as many sets registered as possible. It doesn't matter to them that 90% of these sets are useless/jokes/junk. Yeah, yeah, yeah they are important to the owner, but let's get real.
Cameron Kiefer
Then start providing "Registry Grades" for DNC coins!!!! It's more inclusive while maintaining a level playing field.
You are ready to nix your own fellow merc collector because he started a set with 1 coin? What if he plans to buy one coin each week and add to his set. The idea of deep 6ing him because he started his set with one coin won't help people to like to collect mercury dimes. My set is open and with pics. It started with 1 coin though.
Cameron Kiefer
I didn't want to sound like an elitest.
A set has to start somewhere. Not everyone can be in the top. My set is a joke then (60% complete after a few years) and I should delist it. I don't think so.
Yes, a set has to start somewhere. However, that doesn't mean it has to be listed the day you buy your first coin.
As a sample, I took a look at proof Kennedys. 93 sets registered. Sets #65-93 have less than 20% completed. 18 of those sets have <=5 coins.
PCGS needs to restrict the set from "showing up" until a minimum percentage is complete.
It's just that coming across a number one set and having it "black" (unclickable) is bogus.
Show Us Your Coins!
Or not.
peacockcoins
#1 Registered Set -- There are many sets that are composed of phenomenol NGC coins that PCGS doesn't recognize, and many more sets that aren't registered that are superior to anything out there.
A lot of the Type guys go ahead and register their single coins into the series sets. I have a Morgan for Type that qualifies for three different sets. Or a guy has a Modern Type set, CS only, that they register the exact same set in the Modern Type, CS & PR, category.
I just looked and found out that with my Type coins, I am eligible for 51 sets at PCGS. Wouldn't be so funny if it weren't for the fact that I own 56 coins, and three of them are Half Dimes, for which no series set exists (in spite of heavy requests). Is that the PCGS Registry guarantee? If you own a PCGS coin, we have a set for you?
to think and what to say" all of a sudden want the Registry to change the existing rules
and give everyone ultimatums. Only a few sets are closed off and I personally dont really care.
I just think that we already have too many rules and regulations in this country and I dont need
any more in my hobby. Also anything that would anger a segment of the hobby thru changing rules
would not be good for the bussiness that provides us with the Registry and the free Forums.
Camelot
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Yet, it is OK to anger a segment of the hobby thru not changing the rules?
Who knows, maybe there are a lot of people that refuse to register their sets because they don't like the policy of allowing people to hide their sets?
big problems on its plate and this issue is probably not at the top of their list.
Camelot
Pete
Ken
Does it benefit you, as a collector, if all were required to post details of their registry sets? If so, what do you see as the benefit(s) or advantage(s)?
I personally see some minor benefits, but wonder what others see, especially those collectors that seem to be angry and so adamant about this!
I can well understand it might help dealers, but I wonder what the benefits are to fellow collectors. It may be that there are no direct benefits, but it’s just a matter of satisfying curiosity – which is OK too I suppose.
It's also fun to spend time a view other sets.
I would think, afterall, that is one of the main reasons why anyone would take the time to post a Registry. Isn't it to share (and, ok- maybe to brag a little?).
Now, how about an answer to this: What is the advantage of registering a closed set?
peacockcoins
I had noticed a couple days ago when I felt the breeze of him passing everyone to the #1 spot in the Washington Proof set that the set had been closed. Was pretty disappointed not to be able to view the set but it really had no direct affect on me since I'll never be able to challange the set. The set probably didn't carry that much weight with me since I didn't actually know what was in it...now it does!! Just a curiosity thing for me I guess.
Thanks for sharing Honeycutt and congrats on your #1 Washington set.
Ronman
Someone with closed sets should be the one to answer this question. However, I imagine that they want that pride of positioning that comes with registering it, yet want to keep their set needs private because of concerns that dealers will “put it to them” or that competitors will become more competitive and find some way to preclude their getting coins.
Over on the PSA side, I know a couple of registry set collectors who will run their compeitors up on a card in an auction because they know he needs it, and even try to buy it so their competitor won’t have it.
I’ve observed that the competition at top rungs of the registry is often intense, and not made up of the good-spirit and fun-times that middle-of-the-roaders have.
Now, you could argue that if they don’t want to show then they shouldn’t list – showing is the price of listing! I suspect that some will then just not list. Will that, in your opinion, make the registry better?
The Registry is improved when it becomes enjoyable for all to navigate and "see". It's a visual thing. The first step is seeing the placement of the set compared to others and then the coins it contains to award the spot it is in. Again, the Registry isn't for the sole purpose for collectors to post an inventory (that is essentially what a closed set is), but a place to not just register the set, but register the COINS.
-Next would be photos of the coins.
If there was a counter indicating the 'hits' each set received I'd have to imagine the sets with photos of the coins would receive the most, followed by the sets that detail the coins within. Of course the closed sets would receive no 'hits' as there is nothing to open up and view.
PCGS's error was in ever allowing closed sets to Register.
That error can now be corrected though by eliminatation of the ability to post a closed set.
And, for further clarification, PCGS wouldn't drop those sets that are now closed. It would be up to each Set Holder to choose what to do with their set. Allow it to remain, as is- but now opened for viewing, or delete the set completely.
peacockcoins
If this set were to be "dismissed" from the registry for being closed, a Roosie collector may get the feeling that there were ms68s available, ie., not "nailed down" in reg. sets, where that is not the case. At least in this case, one can tell that many of the available 8s are registered.
Isn't it better to let all know that these pcgs 8s are claimed, rather than allow a collector to unknowlingly "target" the ostensibly "available" coins?
Although, it probably wasn't much fun to find out, I'd bet Danny, Sonny, and Butch were glad to be "in the know" at the time this set was on the "current finest" list.
ps. Originally, this set was closed due to the reasons mentioned previously, in a word, "targeting".
You are always the voice of reason, so the lack of understanding must be blamed on me.
With that stated, please help me in comprehending your point.
peacockcoins
Would you PM the details.
peacockcoins
Basically, the Roosie mkt. was dead. It wasn't too tough to put together a set of pcgs 7s. The exitement was in the 8s, and they were few and far between, to say the least. I was lucky enough to have an example from most each date where an 8 was made, and when one became available, I usually got it, or made it.
Then, after further stagnation in the market, I felt that such a dominance was killing the market, or at least the desire to compete in the registry. There were many trying to "make" 8s, but few collecting them.
The resurgence of Roosies is terrific. Good luck to all still "in the race". Roosies are one of the best series. Lotsa "bang for the buck".
How can it possibly affect you if you can't see what coins someone else has or if someone only has 1 coin, or 3 coins? What possible impact can that have on your life? Your set? Your anything?
Okay, that was about 5 questions...but I think I made my point.
<< <i>If you want a place to privately park your inventory, seek it elsewhere. >>
Are you referring to any corporation in particular, or just in general?
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In any serious competition, it usually makes much sense NOT to divulge any more information than absolutely necessary. When you play a friendly game of poker with your buddies, do you show your cards as they're being dealt?
Perhaps it is more rational and reasonable not to get so competitive; why not spread the fun of collecting? But, you shouldn't legislate your opinion. This issue isn't nearly as extreme as, say, the forced conversion of the Sephardim in Iberia or living in Taliban-held Afghanistan. But, the issue is clear to me: you shouldn't force your opinion upon others. Not unless there is a more compelling reason than that it'll be neato to spread the joy of collecting...
Our laws, ostensibly, are there to serve the public weal. Is this issue even remotely analogous?
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
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Personally, I take great pride in my one humble little set that ranks in the teens. I am a LONG way from completion, but I enjoy sharing the journey. I will never be in competition with the deep pocket collectors and I have no problem with any of that. This hobby has to be fun.
What would be very nice (another thread perhaps, but who cares) is if PCGS would provide a scan if requested for coins when they are graded. This would help increase the popularity of the registry and help the camera/scanner challenged like myself.
What a huge benefit that would be for those wanting to post an image of their coin(s), as well as a huge benefit for the collecting public.
I'd gladly pay for the service, and I don't understand the lack of desire to add this new profit center.
I can understand the board's collective opinion that registry sets should include images. I wish I had that capability.
If images ever become requirements of the registry, I would hope I wouldn't feel forced to buy photography equipment. (Or worse, I'd have to learn how to use it.)
RC,
I completely agree. This a service that NGC offers for a token fee ($3 if memory serves), and for those who want to display their coins but don't have the equipment of the technical know-how, it would be an invaluable service.