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What do you think? Counterfeit or not.

dlshawdlshaw Posts: 81
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Check this coin being sold on ebay now. This seller bought few of these counterfeit trade dollars from two different china sellers. I didn't find where he bought the 1972 S.
TRADE DOLLAR

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,977 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Considering the Seller has recently been a heavy buyer of many counterfeit Trade dollars, as you mentioned, and the coin just doesn't look right- I'd steer clear.

    peacockcoins

  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    i would say in my opinion it is genuine but s mints are more common

    for me he also greatly undergrades this coin

    sincerely michael
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    also may be a very rare unique coin as from my research they started trades in 1873?

    might be a discovery coin?? unique??

    sincerely michael
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    be that as it may i would be happy to pay 5 dollars for this coin

    sincerely michael
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Yes for sure.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This piece is definitely a counterfeit. From the picture it looks like a cast copy. The “2” has been altered because it is not the same style as the other numbers in the date. During this period the dates were sunk into the dies as four digit numbers, and the numbers were all the same size. The style of the numbers varied from year to year (Just compare the Indian cents.), but the style of each number was the same.

    This item is a fabrication. Although pattern Trade Dollars were made in 1872, none of them had the regular issue design.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    The U.S. Government made trade dollars from 1873 through 1885.

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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Are TD counterfeits collectable or are the bidders just idiots?
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336 ✭
    The details are mushy and faded.....a definite counterfiet. Probably not even silver. Nice date, too. Someone should ask the seller if you can order an 1871-D to go along with this coin.
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,971 ✭✭✭✭✭
    19th century counterfeits are collectable, but the legality to own factors can be rocky. Technically counterfeit coins are subject to seizure by the government. As a practical matter the feds don’t seem to bother anybody so long as they are sold as antique counterfeits and not real coins.

    Still it’s like the sex laws in some states. If you get caught doing it in an illegal way, you can get run in if the cops feel like hassling you.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • dlshawdlshaw Posts: 81
    I wrote the seller about ebay rules selling fakes, and this is what he wrote back.



    << <i>i bought six of the coins from hong kong but i have 40 trade dollars i not stupid i sell nonly the best not fakes i have a 100%money back gar. >>




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  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336 ✭
    i not stupid

    But i think you is stoopid
  • keojkeoj Posts: 980 ✭✭✭
    Okay guys and gals, this a fake coin. Period. To make things worse, it is a really, really bad fake.

    The question prior is a good one, I wonder how many people have or getting burned on these?

    keoj
  • asnookerasnooker Posts: 246
    Hee hee I sent him an email too..... I'll post the answer when/if I get one.
    If you give up your rights, in order to maintain your freedom. You will most likely end up losing both!
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I just sent him this eMail:



    << <i>This coin is an obvious counterfeit and selling it as genuine is a criminal act. eBay fraud department has been alerted and I'd suggest that you shut down your auction before they do it for you. Fair warning...Russ >>



    Sometimes that approach works, and these slimeballs shut down. Might be too late in this case, though, since the auction closes tonight.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • JLWJLW Posts: 583
    This is good, looks like someone set up an eBay account to deal with the likes of this guy. High bidder is Scumthumper with rating of 0 and shades. Anyone here gone undercover lately?
    Joe
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336 ✭
    I saw that high bidder on another scam auction. I love it!!!
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I emailed this scumbag and got this response:

    well sence im a member of the fbi i think i know what im talking about

    What an idiot! How many years will that get you?? image
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  • asnookerasnooker Posts: 246
    here's his answer to my email.
    (im not sure about this one everbody that bids on it im letting them know and im not going to sell until i find out thanks Christopher)
    If you give up your rights, in order to maintain your freedom. You will most likely end up losing both!
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Me thinketh that the seller is a maroon.
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  • dlshawdlshaw Posts: 81
    Second Email:



    << <i>it already has been ended i would not noingly sell anything fake so calm down dont get your bloob pressure up i took care of it thank you for letting me no i went this morning and got a book on trade dollars so now i know thanks again Christopher >>


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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Horse crap! He's been knowingly selling fakes that he's been buying. Here's his closed auctions on ebay:

    30 days closed ebay auctions

    He's ripped people off for thousands of dollars! I hope he goes to jail!
    Early Dollar Set

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