Why can't we resist the temptation?
coinguy1
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Why can't we resist posting to a thread that should have died long ago?
Why do we have to try to get the last word?
Why do we have to try to MAKE someone see our way of thinking?
Why do we have to try to show others that we are right and they are wrong, if they don't agree with us?
Why do we have to "plonk" a thread that we don't like and thereby prolong that very thread?
Why do we have to bury good posts in numerous trash threads?
Why do we have to take private matters and make them public?
Why do we prefer fights and name calling to information and camaraderie?
Why do we waste our time and energy, trying to reason with those we KNOW wont listen?
Why is the sky blue? Sorry, after so many questions, I lost track of the subject matter.
These are serious questions, aimed at many on this forum, including myself. Why is it that we can't resist?
Why do we have to try to get the last word?
Why do we have to try to MAKE someone see our way of thinking?
Why do we have to try to show others that we are right and they are wrong, if they don't agree with us?
Why do we have to "plonk" a thread that we don't like and thereby prolong that very thread?
Why do we have to bury good posts in numerous trash threads?
Why do we have to take private matters and make them public?
Why do we prefer fights and name calling to information and camaraderie?
Why do we waste our time and energy, trying to reason with those we KNOW wont listen?
Why is the sky blue? Sorry, after so many questions, I lost track of the subject matter.
These are serious questions, aimed at many on this forum, including myself. Why is it that we can't resist?
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"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
Ken
I agree 110% with all your questions. Let me add another:
Why must people get upset and leave because they open and read threads they know are non-coin related?
Mark
P.S.: Are you going to the FUN show? And, if so, are bringing your white MS66 Lexington to the show?
P.P.S.: I note in your message where you state that you can't resist. I disagree--I don't see you posting in these extensive flaming troll threads. You do successfully resist. And, yes, I personally read these threads for amusement but I sure don't participate much in them.
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
I can answer this one!!!! Because I am always right!!!
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
I agree they are serious questions, but, aren't they also rhetorical? Or, do you really want us to take a shot at trying to answer them?
I try (most times successfully) to not post to a the "dead thread". When I get the last word, it's just because no one cares to respond to my post. I like to convert SOME to my way of thinking, when I believe it is rational and logical, and I believe in constructively pointing out when someone is incorrect in their knowledge, provided they are amenable to learning. I try not to "plonk" and I too am dismayed when good posts get buried. Now making private matters public, fighting and name-calling - well, they are all "traits" of trolling. I don't understand what pleasure is derived from fomenting dissention; what is really perplexing is that some of our resident trolls seem to be knowledgeable, and DON'T have to resort to trolling. I guess they are like my mother-in-law; are so used to turmoil they think something is amiss when nothing is amiss. And, well, the sky has always been blue.
edited to add:
And camaraderie, well, it used to exist here and still does in some small way. Problem is that,a s the forum grew, people took cameraderie as being cliquish and possessive - an old vs. new thing. Actually, it SEEMS quite a few just don't know what it truly is.
<< <i>I can answer this one!!!! Because I am always right!!! >>
Hard to agrue on this one.....
"Senorita HepKitty"
"I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
and will continue to do. It is not right or wrong, it just is. Gosh Im glad Im a bear.
Camelot
I have tried not to take the personal attack status.These type threads leave me feeling bad also.The only answer I can come up with to answer you though is the passion of coin collecting is a double edge sword.
Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
Well, this is caused by the light diffraction in the atmosphere caused by water vapor. The size of the water molecule is such that it diffracts a portion of the visible light spectrum that removes blue (and scatters it making a blue sky) and letting the rest of the light pass through. That is one reason why we perceive color a little differently than you'd think. Our basis for understanding color comes from the sun's radiation wavelength (based on a shade of yellow) and our atmospheric particulars, among other things.
Neil
Zerbe
I think if some of us dare to ask ourselves that question, why do we care and honestly examine our motivation behind some of the comments we make, we may become less full of ourselves. And for all us who feel the need to attack back, stay above that level.
For pete's sake quit posting all the snide and personal comments about others, especially Ebayer's. If you can't go start a slam ebay site somewhere else.
For everyone who disagrees with me, hey"your momma wears combat boots"!
wore combat boots. You been peeking.
Camelot
Some threads start as honest and fair questions, yet turn into unintended thrash.
I started a thread where I didn’t mean any trash, and it became ugly, and I am sorry for that, however, people need to understand just because someone started a thread in which turns ugly, it doesn’t mean the intention was negative.
I know I will be more cautious about what I post and will take into consideration what others might say. Even though, I disagree with censorship. The first amendment is the right of free speech.
Tony
President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay
I've often wondered about this myself, and I've come to the conclusion it's biological. This forum is made up of mostly men, and an over abundance of testosterone in the male of species accounts for competition, beligerence, violence, threats, delusions of grandeur, one-upmanship, uncontrollable anger and rage, and a host of other anti-social behaviors when take to the extreme. Real men know how to moderate and control these chemically driven, basic, biological urges. Couple a high testosterone level with a lack of education, low self esteem, dysfunctional family background, and the anonymity and distance provided by online venues such as this, you have a ticking time bomb. Have you ever noticed that there are only one or two regular female (that we know about) posters here? I'm sure many have logged on here, seen the kind of posts that have been here recently, shook their heads and said to themselves, " I don't need this, I see it every day in real life". It's just in the male's nature to "challenge", for better or worse. It's also in the male nature not to know when to quit. Funny, I can't think of any female fascists....
Andy
First POTD 9/19/05!!
Good thread. I'm glad to see you're hanging tough and sticking it out on the boards. I agree with you 100% on the points you have made. I believe there is a right and a wrong way to deal with these "personal vendetta" threads. In life there are always choices, you can take the "high road" which is often harder and less traveled, or you can sink down with the others on the "low road" which is almost always easier and way more traveled. Do I read these threads, yes, sometimes, for entertainment, and possibly education as well. (There is definitely one more dealer on my avoid at all costs list). But it is hard at times to not appease my ego by chiming in and joining the "herd mentality"
in bashing the "villain of the day". That is the slippery slope leading to that lower road. I often find myself thinking "just don't go there". I too, wish we could customize our first page by bumping or in some cases deleting obnoxious threads altogether. But until they take over this forum entirely, (God forbid) I for one, will not leave, as there is much, much, more for this one to learn.
All the Best to Everyone in 2003,
Joe
I'm here. I'm staying here. I make an investment of my time here. Reading threads like this one, reminds me why.
Clankeye
Joe
Neil - so if I understand the blue sky explanation, you could say that we only 'perceive' the sky as blue because of way the human eye receives light and the way the brain processes and interprets it. Makes sense, but makes me wonder.... do blue/green colorblind people still perceive the sky as blue? How about other critters/creatures? What color is the sky to them I wonder?
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"Why must people get upset and leave because they open and read threads they know are non-coin related?"
That is a good question. I think that curiosity gets the best of most of us. Then some of us get upset seeing how some posters treat others and / or when we learn we have wasted our time reading such threads. The other part of it is that such threads bury others and make them much harder to get to / find.
I will be going to the FUN show and if we have the item you inquired about, I will ask that it be brought. As you kindly noted, I usually do resist posting to the flame threads. But, I am occasionally guilty of trying to reason with someone who wont or can't do the same - in other words, I sometimes try to take on a brick wall with my head. And, I have yet to defeat a brick wall, despite being very hard-headed.
Other replies to those who have asked questions, to follow later - I prefer to give everyone an opportunity to speak up, first.
Bulldog
No good deed will go unpunished.
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Just now I encountered another "new member" using his first few posts to attack another member. There have been about five new identities around here lately, just for that purpose.
And I am reminded of the utter frustration of dealing with situations like this. The only real avenue being avoidance and silence. But, the seething it can create inside, knowing that the end result of disruption and aggression is being pursued as an agenda. It makes it very, very difficult to just brush it off sometimes.
Clankeye
Ken
Most times, it is an automatic response depending upon which of your buttons have
been pressed.Often I have held back, counted to 10 and even bitten my tongue. However
when I have made a judgement that someone has exceeded the limits of decency, honor
or intellectual honesty ,then I will respond with a tart observation. Am I ever wrong,
yes, sometimes I make a big boo boo, but not often. I do not like mobe rule and verbal
gang bang. Each person must always make up their own mind as to what is fair and just.
Perhaps the old rule was best, "If you cant say something nice, then dont say anything at all".
Camelot
....... bob**rgte**
There are waaaaaaay too many "Marks" on these boards. I like how you identify yourself from Pinnacle Rarities. So, henceforth I am indentifying myself as not from Pinnacle Rarities.
Mark not from Pinnacle Rarities
across the street. They argue not only the color of he sky but it's cause
and effects. We have it good here.
I usually don't open a thread with a title like this ones but I couldn't re-
sist, nor could I resist pointing this out.
Perhaps you can find your answers here.. LOL
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
Glad you're posting. I appreciate civility, and having had the privledge of meeting some of the members face to face, always try to remember I'm talking to real human beings with feelings, ego's, memories, and insight. There are so many members here with so much more experience in areas of the hobby that I haven't even begun to explore that I try not to let my ego make me foolish. I have had a lot of fun here, and met some really good friends, and I'm glad for the experience. I have learned more here in a shorter time than would have been possible in any other venue, and in exchange for that knowledge, I can ignore the few who would pollute the environment here with their own agenda's. I hope to get to meet a few more of you guys at the ANA in Charlotte. Those that choose to spread ill will among their peers only spoil their own future in the hobby. The members who are themselves, and are involved in the hobby are always the ones I enjoy chatting with the most. I appreciate that from you, Mark, and from all the other non-fictional characters that inhabit the board. Up front and honest works.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Because these boards, for many, are a form of entertainment and energy release.
Why do we have to try to get the last word?
I guess we'll have to ask the last person to reply to this thread the reason
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Gilbert - admittedly, my questions were partly rhetorical in nature. I do wonder about the reasons for some of the behaviors exhibited here, though. Some of it, I understand and some of it makes me shake my head, over and over again.
When you get the last word because someone doesn't respond to one of your posts, that is different from some who keep repeating "is too" or "is not" (or far worse) in response to someone else who is saying the opposite.
I agree with you about some of the trolls being quite knowledgeable - what a waste. It reminds me of computer hackers who are obviously very talented but who prefer to cause mayhem and harm to others, rather than putting their skills to productive use.
By the way, I'm going to tell your mother-in-law on you.
Don - welcome back!
Neil - thanks for the explanation about the blue sky.
Zerbe - I like your idea about being able to delete threads from a page. Unfortunately for me, I am not computer savvy, either.
Mike - I agree with your sentiments - well spoken (even if I didn't agree)!
fcloud - I think you're being a bit too tough on yourself.
Andy - I can go along with your biological explanation.
Joe - thank you.
Clankeye - one of these days you and I might get into a disagreement over something but I'm not holding my breath.
barberlover - hi to you, too. I'm glad you've joined us.
Greg - agreed about anonymity making it easier for people to retort the way they sometimes do.
Ken - needless to say, I share your frustration.
Bear, you are a good man. Sorry, I meant a good bear.
Bulldog and Rotts - ego is probably a large part of it.
Mark - (not from Pinnacle Rarities) you registered here before I did. Perhaps you should be Mark1 and I should be Mark2?
Cladking - fear not, I'm chilled.
Don - I like your thought "...always try to remember I'm talking to real human beings with feelings, ego's, memories, and insight."
Ahh, if only we all did that.
Congrats on the best perpetual answer for 2003. LOL
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
1. Anarchy, as everyone tries to do whatever without responsibility or accountability
2. Despotism/Dictatorship, as everyone can't control themselves and asks for someone to make them control themselves
This is a truth that works itself out in every venue. The same will go for here. The board will teeter between anarchy and despotism unless there is self control.
Neil
Camelot
to be self controlled.
Camelot
Sorry I didn't notice this earlier. Yes, people with varying types of colorblindness (there are many) will perceive blue differently. And the same would go for any animal. Their recepters are "calibrated" differently. As for what color the sky would be for various color blindness, I am referring to an article on Microsoft for developers to help aid in developing color schemes that work for everyone. Reference
Protanopia and Protanomalia: roughly unchanged (absence/diminished of red sensitivity, affects approximately 1 percent of the male population for each)
Deuteranopia and Deuteranomalia: roughly unchanged (absence/diminished of green sensitivity/affects approximately 1.1 percent of the male population for the former and 4.9 percent for the latter)
Tritanopia and Tritanomalia: a bit darker and more turquoise (absence/diminishment of blue sensitivity, about 0.001 percent of males)
So while overall the colors would be perceived as blue, the shades and distinctness of that blue would be different for each.
Neil
sincerely michael
<< <i>Why must people get upset and leave because they open and read threads they know are non-coin related? >>
If this was in reference to my thread regarding being fed up with things and stating I was taking off for a while (which never really happened anyway), it wasn't because I was "opening" the trash threads and reading them, I didn't care about them. It was because the trash threads were outnumbering the decent threads, and the decent threads were receiving a fraction of the responses. The general majority of the conversation had gone from decent intellectual coin question/answer sessions, polls, education, and collection show-offs to pure unadulterated crap. That I definately don't have time for. Fortunately the crap mellowed out a whole lot while I was responding to PMs regarding my thread and I took notice of the more numismatically related newer posts, stuck around to see what would come of it, and liked the results more than I had liked what I saw the previous few days. That's my response, anyway. As for anyone else - they would have to answer for themselves.
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I can't tell a red crayon from a brown crayon. I very commonly get green, warm gray, beige, tan, and light browns confused. I can't tell the difference between the colors of dead grass and live grass. I missed 13 out of 14 of the "color dot" charts when I joined the Air Force. The only colors they said I could differentiate between were yellow and purple. During the same examination I completely failed to recognize the difference between green and white light.
I can't see lavender. Violets really are blue in my world. Bright purple dresses are blue to me. The bright green fire trucks and flourescent green highlighters are all yellow to me, and the yellow highway department trucks are orange to me. Peanut butter was green to me until I was 16 years old and was corrected in a conversation.
Is there a "mix" of different forms of colorblindness that a single person can have? Mine's more severe than most of the color sighted versions, however it's not the complete black and white kind either. I still see color...just all the wrong ones. I can see the correct colors as long as they are pure blue, green, yellow, red, and orange, with no deviations from what would be more or less "pure"....but those are the only colors I differentiate between. Purple is completely gone. Deeper tones or highlighted tones of any of these colors look like something different to me.
As a copper collector, I constantly have to loupe coins to see the tell tale pimples and light spots that are corrosion - because I can't see its green color. I have a hard time telling where the red is on RB cents...but through years of experience dealing with my disability I have learned to cope, and have come out being able to do pretty well with my grading.
As a painter and artist I find myself very limited in what I can do on my own. I have to constantly ask my wife whether colors are right in a painting, or when I take photos of coins. I have to ask someone when I design a web site whether the colors work together....they do to me, but may not to most everyone else. I have learned to use the RGB values of colors to tell what color something is, and have had a limited amount of success being able to create color schemes using math in those values, not my eyes.
So what am I when it comes to color vision? I'm interested in seeing your response. I have never paid to be tested at length, it has never been something I was concerned enough about to throw money at to "change" it...but it seems from your post that you understand all of it much better than I do, so I plea ignorance and hope you can give a good answer.
Edited to add: My maternal grandfather was colorblind. Both of my parents have normal color vision, but my sister is color blind (differently from me). My identical twin brother had normal color vision from what is known, he died at six. My color vision problems became apparent in kindergarten when I colored people green. Nobody else in my family, a rather large family, is (or was) color impaired. That would be a little better than 50 people I'm related to whom I have queried regarding thier color capabilities. As you can see, I'm spilling the whole can of beans to try getting some answers. This "thing" has plagued me throughout life, and I've never been able to find good answers inexpensively...and have never had the money to pay for them.
A footnote to all of this....I have never worn or needed glasses. I was an expert marksman in the military, and can see extreme detail in a lot of things. I have extremely good perception of value (light and dark), and do very well with shading in drawings. My vision is better than average.
Do you know of a good resource where I can make contact with someone who would test me, give me answers, or help me understand my color affliction?
The Lincoln cent store:
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My numismatic art work:
http://www.cdaughtrey.com
USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
memory is completely colorblind. Just black and white mostly and the colors that
are there have no bearing on the actual color. I couldn't tell you what color a
school bus is if I hadn't memorized such things.
As to Mark's semi-rhetorical questions, I wish I knew the answers. Although I have been encouraged by many posts in this thread, I recall my own emotions driving to work this morning. A fender bender (the offending cars were already on the side of the road) slowed traffic to a crawl as the rubber necking ensued. I was a little irritated that folks had a need to slow down to look. You guessed it, when I got to the cars on the side of the road I also looked. Something about human nature
I think Clankeye's "Good Morning Class" series is an excellent barometer of how we are doing individually and as a group. To be pierced by his sharp witted pen is to have our best and our worst magnified for all to see. So if my schedule does not allow time to read all that transpires on the forum, I rely on the tutelage of Mrs. Coinboard to keep me current.