Ebay seller with over 1000 feedbacks is not aware of the statehood quarter program. Amazing!!

wingedliberty

Look at what this seller claims in the text description.
Amazing!!!
1893 Isabella


Brian.

Outhaul

Actually, I didn't know that the statehood quarter was a commemorative program. I always thought commems were not specifically struck for circulation.

Cheers,

Bob

wingedliberty

Statehood quarters are a commemorative program. There have been examples of commems that
have been struck for circulation. The 1932 quarter is a perfect example. It is technically a commem.
A commem is a special issue, but does not have to be restricted for collector distribution only. There
are other examples of commems circulating, such as the Columbian halves which circulated heavily.


Brian.

kieferscoins

I agree with outhaul. The quarters are normal circulation coinage mintage in the hundreds of millions. that would not be classified as a commemorative to me.

Why bash the seller Brian? I see your point, but many people may not agree.

Cameron Kiefer

wingedliberty

I disagree, the statehood quarters are circulating commems. Just like the 1776-1976 Bic. quarters.


Brian.

KlectorKid

Commemoratives Commemorate! The year on a commem. usually means something unlike the SQ. I dont think they are commem's because they are are minted so high,and the mint doesnt sell them.

wingedliberty

I disagree, the mintage figures do not necessarily negate the commem status. The statehood quarters commemorate each individual states' sequence of entry into the union. There is no
seller bashing going on, I am simply pointing out that a blanket statement like " This is the only
commemorative quarter struck by the US mint" is incorrect.


Brian.

wingedliberty

Please see the US mint press release, half way down the page, first paragraph.
"The 50 states, circulating commemorative program" H.R-3301.U.S mint press release " The 50 states ,circulating commemorative program"

This should settle it and be helpful.


Happy holidays,
Brian.

RegistryCoin

Although not originally made for circulation, the first US Commemorative coin, the 1892 Columbian Half with a mintage of 950,000, had a substantial portion released into circulation at face value. The mintage, or whether designated for circulation or non-circulating has little to do with the "commemorative" designation. I think the State Commemorative Quarter Series is made up of commemorative coins.

wingedliberty

Yes, you are right registrycoin, but the seller makes specific mention of the Isabella as the only
US mint commem quarter ever struck. The United States Mint disagrees and so do I.


Brian.

Outhaul

Brian is correct that mintage does not necessarily discern commems from circulating coinage. However, I still do not consider the statehood quarters a commemorative program nor does the U.S. Mint, if I'm not mistaken. I don't see anything wrong or misleading about the auction linked in the first post.

Now, with regard to the Bi-centennial Quarter, I do not view them as commemorative issues. While they were minted to commemorate America's Bi-centennial, they were specifically struck for circulation. Commemorative issues are struck for specific events and sold at a premium to finance those events.

The difference being that commemorative coinage is not struck for general circulation. Just my opinion.

Cheers,

Bob

mbbiker

thats a great site Brian

wingedliberty

Bob:
The United States mint disagrees with you and also the Bicentennial quarters were obvious
commems. Please see my link to House Resolution HR.3301 as proof in the link above.


Brian.

RegistryCoin

Yes, the seller is mistaken. He should have added "classic":

YOU ARE BIDDING ON A(n) ORIGINAL NO PROBLEM RARE 1893 ISABELLA QUARTER GRADING VERY FINE. IT'S THE ONLY (classic) COMMEMORATIVE QUARTER THE US MINT HAS EVER MINTED.

Outhaul

Brian,

Read your link. Mint says they are, I don't agree, but they set the rules. Personally, I still don't consider them commems nor do I consider the 1976 issues. These are circulating coins struck for that purpose and are no more collectable than most other modern stuff. I know I'll probably get hammered for that statement, but it's just my opinion. We do what we do and we collect what we like and all collectors will never agree on all aspects of the hobby. That's what makes the world go 'round and what makes these forums interesting.

Cheers,

Bob

wingedliberty

Bob:
I respect your opinion, but there are about 100 forum members who collect moderns, including
myself. Thanks for your civility.


Brian.

relayer

If you go to the mint site and click on commemoratives, you won't find your statehood quarters there.

wingedliberty

Bob:
That little dude in your post drinking the beer looks cool.
He's making me thirsty.


Brian.

RegistryCoin

I think the intent was a "commemorative" program as evidenced by this and most of the documentation from 1999:

<A New Look for the Commemorative Quarter Obverse
<
<PRESS RELEASE
<
<Senate Passes Bill Allowing Mint Discretion in Placement of Inscriptions on 50 State Quarters
<
<Washington, D.C. - The United States Senate has approved legislation (H.R. 3301) allowing the U.S. Mint flexibility in the placement of <the mandatory inscriptions on the Washington quarter for the 50 States Circulating Commemorative Coin Program slated to begin next <year.

and,

<50 State Quarters Program Fact Sheet
<
<Your quick reference to the United States Mint 50 State Quarters (TM) Program.
<
<Program Background
<
<The 50 State Quarters program is a 10-year initiative (1999 - 2008) commemorating each of the 50 United States, as allowed by Public <Law 105-124.
<This is an unprecedented program by which the U.S. quarter's design will change five times each year for a 10-year period, beginning in <January 1999.
<States are honored in the order in which they ratified the Constitution and joined the Union. (See enclosed schedule)
<This program represents the first change to the quarter since production of the Bicentennial quarter in 1975-1976.
<The U.S. Mint will cease production of the "Eagle" quarter until the 50 State Quarters program culminates in 2009.
<The 50 State Quarters are legal tender issue from the United States Treasury, and will be available through circulation in commercial <transactions and collectable sets by contacting the U.S. Mint's website: www.usmint.gov.

But, the newer, shortened, and registered name, "50 State Quarters" program, is now the accepted title.

Outhaul

Mmmm...Beeeeeer

wingedliberty

Registry:
Thanks alot for the added research confirming the Statehood quarters as commems.


Outhaul:
MMMMMMMMM, beer, We can agree on that!!!


Brian.

Conder101

<< <i>The difference being that commemorative coinage is not struck for general circulation. Just my opinion. >>



Actually, except for the past century, over the 2700 years of coinage, commemoratives WERE usually intended to circulate. The whole point of issuing a commemorative coin was to bring some event or person to the forfront of everyones attention and the best way to do that was to produce a commemorative coin for circulation that very large numbers of people would see in their everyday use. It has only been recently that they have been issued a a fundraising item.

FoundingFather

I too did not know, or don't regard, the state quarters as commemoratives or part of a commemorative program. I would think that tons of collectors and buyers of them don't think or believe so either, despite the technical facts. They certainly don't come off as commemoratives, and practically might as well not be. So, I personally did not find that seller's auction "Amazing" or surprising at all.