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Should I patronize a seller I neg'd?

relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭
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I bought a coin that appeared to be nicely toned from the picture, but wasn't at all. When I tried to return it, the seller didn't live up to his stated return policy and offered 57c on the dollar.

The guy seems to be more of an idiot than a ripoff, but now he has a coin listed that I'm interested in.

Should I come crawling back to him and buy the coin he has listed now? It's a PCGS slab and toning is not an issue this time.
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  • JLWJLW Posts: 583
    I wouldn't go there. He has proven he doesn't deserve your business, and he might find a way to cause you more grief if he is vindictive.
    Joe
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    You're entitled to buy from whomever you chose and he's entitled to sell to whomever he choses. Go for it - he may or may not want to do business with you.

    Frank
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323 ✭
    No. Life is short, and coins are plentiful.
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Show him whose boss.......if he screws up again........neg him again.....

    Leoimage

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i will avoid future dealings with anyone with whom i've had past unsatisfactory,unresolved dealings...

    return policy means to me that if i don't remove the coin from the package i received it in and send it back at my expense within the allowed return period,i should be refunded the money i paid or "won" the item at...subtract ebay fees from the refunded amount if you have too...

    57 cents on the dollar refund offer is unacceptable...43 percent "restocking fee?!"...





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  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Avoid him like I avoid Pat Boone!
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  • wallstreetmanwallstreetman Posts: 2,938 ✭
    You probably cant bid even if you wanted too!
    You can fool man but you can't fool God! He knows why you do what you do!
  • tompkinstompkins Posts: 413
    I sort of figure you have the right to deal with whomever you wish; and, on the flip side, he has the right to reject your bid if he is unhappy with the dealing (I suspect both of you were not very happy). But that said, if he has a coin that you want, and if you recognize that it is probably not returnable (or returnable with a 40%+ charge), then why not bid on it? Personally, unless it were a very hard to find coin, however, I would look elsewhere.

    Pete
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  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    You should only buy from him again if you wish to prove to us how stupid you can be.

    The guy screwed you the first time and you are considering paying for seconds? Incredible!
  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Fool me once, shame on you;
    Fool me twice...

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  • KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723


    << <i>Fool me twice... >>

    I dont want to be ...-ed
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Give him a run for the money he owes you for sticking you with a crappy coin.
    Give me a link to the coin and I'll pass the word to him.

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why go there. It's a problem waiting to happen. No shortage of other great coins.
    Larry

  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 779
    If you caught crotch crickets from your prom date, would you go out with her again?
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  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ROTFLMAO!!!!

    you guys are a tough crowd, but i gotta admit, i'm walkin' lock step with y'all on this one!!!!!!! image there are sellers on eBay and even when it's something i like/want, when the page loads and i recognize the seller i just scroll back a page. why prove to myself what i already know?!?!?!?

    al h.image
  • NicNic Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • smprfismprfi Posts: 874 ✭
    if your a gluton for punishment.
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Reminds me of a favorite proverb of mine.

    Like a dog returning to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly.
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    pass................

    sincerely michael
  • JoyofCollectingJoyofCollecting Posts: 682 ✭
    Reward good dealers and sellers that provide a high level of service at a fair (not cheap) price to us collectors.

    Don't reward those that provide poor service to us collectors...drive them out of business.

    Coins, cars, builders, department stores.....reward good service and penalize bad service and bad business practices. You'll be doing yourself and the world a favor.
    Go well.
  • FrankinWIFrankinWI Posts: 209
    I vote with the majority....PASS! There are plenty of other sellers out there with lot's and lot's of coins.

    Frank
  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    Do not return to the scene of the crime. image

    Joe.
  • raysrays Posts: 2,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No.
  • CollectorCollector Posts: 63
    I too vote with the masses..there are too many honest sellers out there....and a few bad apples should be weeded out..and not dealt with again....I dont want to throw my hard earned collector funds...at a bad seller!!!...PASS ON HIM
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323 ✭
    WAIT!!! I'm changing my vote.

    What was I thinking?? If you pass, there will be no entertaining follow-up story!

    Buy the coin! image
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  • RottsRotts Posts: 220
    DUHHHHHHHHH imageRotts
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  • mr3holesinonemr3holesinone Posts: 444
    An amusing follow-up would delight us but, as everyone has mentioned, there are many other coins for sale NOW and countless others will follow...surely you can find better places to spend your hard-earned money.
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  • GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085 ✭
    Call him up New Years eve and sing Auld Lang Syne to him....image
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should I patronize a seller I neg'd? The guy seems to be more of an idiot than a ripoff, Give him a run for the money he owes you for sticking you with a crappy coin.

    Dear Sir
    (Show his fault) I apologize for the negative feedback but unfortunately and contrary to your stated return policy, you made a bad choice in our last transaction by sticking me with a coin I do not like. (Dangle the carrot here) I wish we could still do business but that's impossible because of the way you conduct your business. There is no way I can bid or make future payments on your coins. The only way we could have any future dealings would be for you to send coins on approvel. Essentually, you have lost
    a buyer for your coins and I pay good money for coins I add to my collection. My friend, when the word gets out about the way you conduct your business, it will spread like wildfire and hurt your business 1000 fold. I have already told my story to many collecters and dealers and they in turn will pass the word to more collecters and dealers.
    To correct your mistake and because you owe me money, you have another coin I'm interested in. Please pull that auction and send it on approvel. Let me know if your interested in squareing things up with me.

    Sincerely,

    Remember people, this guy has ripped off a buyer and has his money. This seller may also need a little education. It's foolish to send this guy more money or even to consider it. He may buckle or he may not
    but we got to at least make an effort. It would also help if a couple of other collectors knocked on his door to help sink the exact point I'm passing along here. I would like to ask this seller about his return policy and let him know if it is true what I have heard about his selling tactics. And then tell him that I'll
    need to pass and thank him for his time.

    Leo (need a link please)

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • banknote1banknote1 Posts: 206
    I don't think this guy has improved since you neged him, do you?? I think I would avoid!!
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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭


    He's since took the picture down, but this was the auction he refused the return on

    His photo:

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    actual coin:

    image

    This is the coin I was thinking of buying

    The price is over $700 now, so I didn't bid (yet?). Looks like a nice coin.

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  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 779
    Relayer.

    Anyone with the name "FABLE" should be cause for concern.

    Fable = A falsehood; lie To recount as if true.

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  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    The price is over $700 now, so I didn't bid (yet?). Looks like a nice coin.

    I'm sorry to put it this way, but you must need it to be a little plainer to you.

    I hope you bid and get screwed for a second time.

    Why? Because you'd have to be a complete and total f***ing idiot to get screwed the first time and then consider doing it again. Despite unanimous agreement that you should NOT buy from this seller again, you are still considering it.

    At what point will the wheel in your head start turning and common sense start flowing again?
  • FatManFatMan Posts: 8,977 ✭
    Just adding to my post count as the answer to the question is both obvious and has been answered correctly over and over again.
  • BulldogBulldog Posts: 779
    Wish we could kill this thread. It only gets lamer, as Relayer wants to take his "Crotch Criket" date out for another dance.

    Damn, I am slow, but.........

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  • NeptuneNeptune Posts: 2,221
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i would just add that i once "threatened" a seller with negative feedback because he did not offer to allow me to return some coins that i was "underwhelmed" with...

    he says he turned me into Safe Harbor and sent me a copy of their alleged response to him...also,he said he would leave feedback for me that was "appropriate" depending on the feedback i left for him...

    i never heard a word from Safe Harbor and left him "neutral positive" feedback...

    thus far he has left no feedback for me...and that's just fine and "appropriate"...i was thinking of contacting Safe Harbor myself to see if this seller actually did complain to Safe Harbor about my "threat" but have concluded that, by their silence if they were contacted by the seller, have tacitly agreed with me that i have effectively made a case for "deserved" negative feedback...



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  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    mr1874, don't worry about SafeHarbor. I have doubt they even look at 99% of the complaints.

    You can threaten people with a neg if you aren't happy and the other person didn't want to resolve it. Let the jerk turn you into SH. What are they going to say? They just copy/paste pre-written comments.

    Based on comments I've made about scumbag eBayers in this and other forums, I've probably been told by them 10 times that they turned me into SH. Never once did I get anything from SH or ever care. I usually tell them I'm laughing at them. image

    You should have left him an honest neg. There is nothing wrong with leaving an honest neg. If he hits you back, so be it. You can get it removed.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this particular seller advised me that it is against ebay rules to threaten with negative feedback if the threat is being used as "leverage" against the seller...this seller was claiming that i was engaging in "feedback extortion" which is against ebay's rules...

    if i had been contacted by Safe Harbor i would have explained to them that my so-called threat of leaving negative feedback was not necessarily inclusive of ebay's feedback tool...a careful reading of my 2nd email to the seller after he emailed me implying that i can't read shows this...

    anyway,this particular ebay seller has lost potential sales to me and has been so advised...

    i learned from this experience that it can be very useful to check feedback from other buyers before dealing with some of these sellers...this can be time-consuming reading back in all the feedback looking for clues about how one,as a buyer,might be treated by a seller but well worth the effort i think...

    btw,the "neutral positive" was for "fast shipping" and the coins i received were described by me very matter-of-factly which should give other possible buyers a clue that they shouldn't expect anything special in the way of customer satisfaction from this particular seller...

    it's a mistake for a seller to imply that his buyers "can't read (auction description) with understanding"...sellers who use "less than honest" wording in their auctions and prove "less than honest" by sending the "proof" inferior coins out can expect a one-on-one feedback session with me...

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

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