Submission results-absolute disgust!
Bruggs
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Just posted my submission results today from PCGS and I must say I'm disappointed. First they had my order since Oct 30, then I get hammered on my FS nickels. 19 coins submitted and 5 make FS. No way. I've collected and dealt with FS nickels for a long time and I know what a FS coin is. What gives? Are they mad because I sent them economy? Is it an unwritten rule that you have to re-submit to get a FS designation? Anybody else having a problem or is it just me?
Bruggs.
submission #3037483
Bruggs.
submission #3037483
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One submission result for me posted yesterday. It was a week after another invoice sent in at the same time. The cert numbers for the invoice that took a week longer are sequentially right before the invoice that took less time.
Sorry for your poor results. How can they misgrade FS's?
Ogden
WH
The x-over game is very hazardous these days.
Cameron Kiefer
At least I don't feel like pcgs was picking on me as some of my grades were not the greatest also.
I sent one economy-crossovers and one economy-raw coins they both arrived on 11/6 and the slowest one was done dec 7.
I wonder how mine got done before some of yours.
<< <i>If everything suddenly came back super high grade it might be a scary thing-------------------BigE >>
BigE, I really don't have a problem with the grades I received. The problem (and where the $ comes in) is not getting the FS designation.
Bruggs
i for one would like to see what they interpret as AT on the Ike's since i have some beautiful dollars set to go in myself. no reason to force the issue and waste money if they're similar. it may be best to hold off for awhile.
BigE
stop making sense!!!!!!!
al h.
MS64s that are better than MS66s, MS65s that are worse than MS64s, MS66s that are questionable at best, etc. I'm convinced that PCGS can't grade moderns anymore. I don't care what David Hall says about the pride the graders take in grading. He either doesn't know them or he is full of sh*t. Sorry, but it's true. They have no pride. They have no skills. They have a dart board and assign random grades.
I'd honestly love to cover these grades and stick them in front of one of their prideful graders and ask them what they grade. I bet they couldn't get it right 50% of the time.
peacockcoins
Tightening up on other modern coins while loosening up on the PR70s?
<< <i>Oh good, the dart board is back, I will crack out my 63's and 4's and send them back in------BigE >>
You trying for 58`s and bodybags?
I'd honestly love to cover these grades and stick them in front of one of their prideful graders and ask them what they grade. I bet they couldn't get it right 50% of the time. >>
I agree Greg. My order had four 1951 nickels. One of the four got the FS designation. I'd be willing to bet that if the grades were covered and each grader reviewed those 4 coins, they couldn't pick out the one they "FS". All of the coins came out of the same roll and are very nice.
Bruggs
The Ludlow Brilliant Collection (1938-64)
Course, I quit sending them coins.
Got quoins?
Grading full step Jefferson's are tough. From all the information we hear, do all coins average 5 or 7
seconds to grade. Does someone actually use something stronger then a 5x glass to grade the steps.
I don’t know but it does take a little patience when it comes to defining full steps on the Monticello.
Where is the line drawn between a full step and a near, just missed full step nickel. A nick or a meld
or some weakness in the steps can disqualify a nickel from being deemed as a full step nickel. If the
steps fail to extend completely all the way across to each side. The steps may be there but if you need
to tilt the nickel back and forth to make out an area on the steps that nickel may not qualify as a full
step nickel. The reason for this is the use of a stereoscope, the coin lays flat and the coin is not tilted.
We tend to tilt the steps forward to grade the steps. The reason for this is that the steps wear forms from the bottom up. So one of the tricks to grade steps is to tilt the coin back a little. If you can still see full steps minus the nicks, bridges and there is full extension then you have a winner. A unison in steps is a must. The 5th or 6th steps must be as strong as the upper steps. Someday I would like to see the elimination of weakly struck nickels receiving the FS designation. Does that make sense?
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>Forty-five days on economy 30-day submissions? I guess I should stop looking for my grades since it only has been 27 days ... I, too, wonder what is up? Reports of slams and under-grading on one side and reports of loosening and a flood of 70s on the other. I guess it depends on which day you hit the bi-polar graders, eh?
Maybe it just depends who you get for a grader.
Anyone know how many graders there are and how many days a week they work?
Do they have "teams"?
Do some graders only do moderns or some only do economy or is it pot luck?
On one of my economy submissions I had coins ranging from a 1860 25¢ to a 1991 proof commem.
Cameron Kiefer
hmmm?
Cameron,
I too am a bit surprised at the number and sometimes who is currently submitting to PCGS. Commentary over the last couple of months lead me to believe that only a select few would continue submitting, for the time being, anyway. I guess I should have expected as much though. Maybe the "market" is just too appealing, and pi$$ and moan as some might, they must have that "PCGS slab." Please don't anyone take this comment personally UNLESS you've contradicted yourself, in which case, flame away.
My latest Modern Dollar submissions. #263152
My results were actually about what I thought. I have felt PCGS had been too tight lately but now got it right.
I am getting another submission ready now.
Overall I was quite pleased. The Grinch didn't steal Christmas this year!
You just need to brush up a little bit on grading those pre 1999 SBA's - if you need me to show you a couple high end coins for a point of reference, just ask.
Wondercoin
Perhaps, but another good reason -- and one I heard direct from PCGS -- is that Baltimore and Thanksgiving got them seriously backlogged.
EVP
How does one get a hater to stop hating?
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FS nickels and have had strong prices realized for my duplicates.
Brian.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.