Grade this 1893-S Morgan

Whitewashqtr

As a holiday gift for a friend, I am going to submit this 1893s for him. ? I dont know how to grade morgans. Anyone want to take a shot at it... I think .. maybe an F30 or xf 35

1893s Obverse

1893s Reverse

Placid

About f15-vf20 . I don't know about the rim hit's might either be a bb or even a lower grade.

Here is a vg8 to compare with.

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coppercoins

<< <i>maybe an F30 or xf 35 >>



umm, the grades go:

F12, F15, VF20, VF25, VF30, EF40, EF45...neither of the grades you mentioned exist.

My personal opinion is that PCGS won't grade it because of the rim hits, which I see as a farce. Its surface details are VF20-25, knock a grade level for damage, F12-F15.

Placid

And here is a vf30.

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rev

Anyway that's a very nice gift for a collector

TomB

Go to ANACS with the coin and let them net grade it since the rim nicks that it has at 12:00 on the obverse would likely preclude slabbing in NGC or PCGS holders.

Whitewashqtr

I thought I saw a grade of xf35 somewhere... Anyway.. it the Heritage coin is a vf30.. then this is probably a VF20.

The grading is the gift .. not the coin. He has had it for a really long time.. passed down in his family. He doesnt own one slabbed coin.. so I thought I would have this graded for him.

coppercoins

Some people use the designation "XF," but according to the ANA standards, "EF" is the proper designation for the "Extremely Fine" (not Extra Fine) grade, which encompasses the 40s on the 70-point grading scale. Two grades recognized, 40 and 45.

braddick

I see this one as FN15. Anyone else?

prooflike

Yep. looks like a 15.

braddick

Thanks. I'm now starting to feel better after that "maybe it's a real matte proof 1916 Lincoln" thread. . .

EVillageProwler

I agree with Placid in grading this, details-wise, a F15 to VF20. No more. (I'm more inclined to the F15...) Anyway, the rim hits probably will preclude this coin from being graded by any service that does not ``net'' grade.

Go to SEGS or ANACS for net grading problem coins.

EVP

gmarguli

Send it to NCS and let them slab it. They don't net grade.

EVillageProwler

Good idea, Greg. I wonder if the lack of a net grade will hurt its resale potential?

EVP

dorkkarl

VF-20, netted down to F-15. the damage looks recent - much shinier than the rest of the coin.

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Whitewashqtr

The damage is not recent. Its been that way for a long time.

BillJones

I'd net grade it to Fine-12. It's a VF-20, but the rim nicks take it down by a grade.

It's a darn shame about the rim nicks. The coin otherwise has a great look for a circulated Morgan Dollar.

danglen

VF-20, net F-12. I would send it to ANACS, as I don't think it stands a chance of winding up in an NGC or PCGS slab. Even so its mintage of 100,000 makes it a real rarity (no chance the government will suddenly release 500,000 of them they find in a vault somewhere). I sold one on eBay a few months ago, graded AG-3 by ANACS, started the auction at a dollar with No Reserve. A lot of interest in the coin, it sold for $600.00

CarsonCityGold

Send it to PCGS first. The rim hits are not that bad and they tend to be a "little" more lenient with the tough Morgans. VF20 is my guess. P.S. It certainly won't make it back before Christmas.

TheNumish

VF-20. I think the price of the coin would be discounted for rim but not all the way to fine money. I still think it's worth more than a fine.

dorkkarl

i still think tech. grade of f-15, but i would not argue at all w/ spending VF+ money on it. it is a beautiful coin.

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paigowjohnny

I can't get the reverse to completely download....but the obverse looks almost exactly in detail like an 89-CC I had done by ANACS (minus the rim ding)....I got a VF 20 for that.

Gilbert

FYI,

Only one die variety is known and it has a small raised, diagonal die polishing line in the top of the "T" in LIBERTY. This polishing line is diagnostic for a genuine 1893-S.

I'm not casting aspersions, but only offering you info, and a perspective. There being only ond die variety known, and the two coins displayed do not have the same "3". The raw one looks a little suspect to me. Not because the other is slabbed, but because of it's "pinpoint" center and very narrow bottom loop.

Hopefully, I'm wrong.

Whitewashqtr

I am told it is an original and has not even been cleaned. It was passed down through the years and was not bought on the open market. The chances of it being counterfeit, I believe, are very slim.

It may be BB'd, but we'll see. Thanks for the comments. Keep em coming!

Anyone have a guess on its value?

WWQ

paigowjohnny

I finally got the reverse picture....VF 20 at best...on a bad day F 15

Dog97

I agree with Gilbert that it does weird. In addition to what Gilbert said there is a die chip in the lower left foot of the R in LIBERTY that looks kinda like a V, Morgan collectors call it rabbit ears. If you can see this and the T Gilbert mentioned the coin is ok.
Anyway the rim dings do make it borderline NG and the coin is a full FINE, almost VF but the bottom cotton leaves and wheat grains are starting to merge and that makes VF questionable.

jdimmick

I personaly dont feel that PCGS will grade this coin due to the rim damage. It is too severe an takes away from marketability, shame though because other than that it looks like a fairly nice coin, and original.

If PCGS were to grade it, it would grade out at a F-15 without the rim-damage.

IMO
jim d

jdimmick

One additional comment,

Some of the other services might would give it a vf-20????

LincolnCentMan

Well, a lot of it depends on who's grading it. Here's the one I used to have.... all three images are of the same coin:

Anacs Obv
Anacs Rev
PCGS Obv... and otheres

Sorry about the others... I made the pics a couple of years ago. I no longer have any of the pictured coins.

David

coinkat

Unfortunately, all of us are grading the photo and not the actual coin. In addition, part of the problem, from my perspective, is the size of the photo which on my screen is huge (the largest I have ever seen posted...), but nonetheless is still good. It should be noted that the size of the photo magnifies the size of the rim dings and the wear is disproportionate which are clearly going to impact the ability to grade the coin. With that disclaimer, the coin has a great original look which is seldom seen for this date. Without the rim dings, I think it would go VF25, or perhaps on a great day, VF30 because of its originality. However, it is a coin that would be net graded by ANACs perhaps to F15 and probably body bagged by PCGS and NGC. With respect to the question of whether the coin is authentic, I think others have already pointed out the obverse die characteristics to look for on an authentic 1893-s.

I am not good with computers and all this new technology, but let me make one suggestion... can a smaller picture of the coin be posted? Its just a thought...

Whitewashqtr

OK.. Lets try these scans... Hope this helps!! BTW -- you guys have been great and really know your stuff. I really appreciate all the comments and so does my friend, who although, not a board member.. is probably watching since I told him I started this thread.

1893s Obverse

1893s Reverse

coinkat

I'll stay with my original thoughts...VF25 net F15. Thanks for posting a second picture.

Beatlemen

That 1893 S Morgan grades fine. I would get that coin certified...