Barber People............Is this '01s quarter real?

goose3

Probably hard to tell from pic..........

I'm just curious....not looking to buy.

LanLord

It's probably a real 1901 barber quarter, but I see no "s" to make it of any great value.
edited to add, even those close-ups where there is a ghost "s" looks iffy to me. The mintmark shouldn't wear any more that the design around it and the top of the D in dollar is plainly visible. Also, the "s" should be tilted at the top to the left, not strait up and down as this one shows. FAKE.

paigowjohnny

Well of course...ACG slabbed it, didn't they ??

jtryka

it's definitely an 01 quarter, but the S looks like it was added in pencil!

Bikingnut

If there's an S there, I better go get new glasses. Just goes to show you, whoever is doing the grading at ACG see's what they want to see. Now I understand why ACG is crap. Hurry up someone turn me in and get your 50- dollar credit. FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS BUY ACG!

goose3

someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the mintmark one of the Last things to wear on one of these?? Aren't they easily seen even on FA and AG's??????????

1907Quarter

yep

airplanenut

I would trust Garrick- if there turns out to be a problem, he should be more than helpful... when I got my buff, he was more than helpful through all of my many questions... a great dealer whom I would HIGHLY recommend!

Jeremy

sadysta1

I do not know much about Barbers but here I go. THIS IS A FAKE
on Barbers mm is fairly well protected and is one of the last things to go. mm are visible on po1 coins!!!
The shape and position look odd.
I guess someone glued S to the coin and it fell off leaving a mark (shadow)

jdimmick

I saw this coin earlier, it does not appear to be a genuine coin to me. The S does not look correct, seems like it should be more discernable even at a grade of fair-2 which this coin is.

Although, I know that Garrick Roberts is reputable dealer, maybe he is seeing something we arent, but it also could be he does not know characteristics of the 01-s, and going by the ACG slab.

Cause you know if ACG slabbed it, its got to be the real thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

kranky

I'm no Barber scholar, but I never saw a "mintmark" that "weak" on one. Ever.

fcloud

I had one of these about 20 years ago and sent it into ANACS for authentification. Their conclusion was a 1901 P, with damage in the mint area. The coin I had was an AG very similar to the one listed (I wish I still had it for comparision). The "S" is in the right location, and was very visable, but was not one of the known die sets, and therefore returned as an '01 P. I would want to be able to send this coin to ANACS, NGC, or PCGS if I were to buy it with a full refund privalidge if the coin was found not to be genuine. Who knows maybe it real, but based on my first hand experience (with probably the same die set) I would need it from higher authority. Every once and a while I see these come up and I know I would not buy one.

Tony

RGL

I didn't see it in the current Coin World, so perhaps it was last week ... There was an article about how common counterfeit 1901-S Barber quarters are and how one should never be bought that is not certified that the phonies perhaps out number the real thing.

Dog97

Hey good catch goose!!
The weak S means nothing-no such animal. Only 2 rev & obv dies used for that model, neither one has the S touching the R in QUARTER. If you could see the 1s in the date in relation to the position over the denticals you would know for sure because the S mint date is in a different position than this altered P mint date.

OnlyBuffalos

Very difficult to tell from your scan but perhaps you can tell in person.

Only two pairs of dies were used to strike the 1901-S quarter. Authentic coins are:

1. Both 1's are centered over a dentil. The second 1 is high and close to the base of the bust (nearly touches).

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2. Both 1's are centered over the gap between dentils. The second 1 is lower but is not close to the base of the bust.

dbldie55

TDN wanted to be able to claim a fraud against ACG, here is his chance.

Edited to add: Looking at both dies in Lawrence's book, you can look at the first one in the date in relation to the bust and see that it is incorrect.

Dave99B

I think it's bogus. The seller keeps re-listing it --- so far no sucker, I mean, buyer, has bitten.

But it's just like fishing - if you keep your line in the water, it's just a matter of time.

Dave

mr1931S

it's a genuine 1901 Philly quarter...

i think the imaginary "s" has the wrong tilt and position...

dorkkarl

the "s" appears to be positioned in the exact right spot, i would want to be able to examine it's shape under a glass - easiest pup imo. seems to me the leftmost "1" in the date should be positioned a hair further east though - prob. w/ the digipic? if your comfortable w/ attrib'ing, i'd get it, given the 7-day return. grade is appropriate, but retail should be only about 1000, i think, due to the weakness of m/m.

K S

ps - just saw seller's price - a tad strong, but not outrageous imo.

lclugza

Found a picture of an ANACS graded 1901S quarter (in Fair condition). You can compare the two, and judge for yourselves.

dorkkarl

seems to support that it's authentic. if it were me, i wouldn't worry so much about the plastic & just buy the coin, attrib & go from there. seller offers 7 days.

K S

BillJones

I don't think this coin is real. On a previous post, the "S" mint mark was very strong on the ANACS AG, but it was not on the ACG AG. And the blob that is proported to be an "S" looks to be too low to me.

Even if this coin is real, what serious collector would really want it? Even if an AG is the best you can afford, why buy something that does not show the all-important date and mint mark decently?

The coin lists on the Gray Sheet for around $2,000 in Good. This thing will cost you more than half that in AG. You could not sell this coin to a legitimate dealer in the ACG slab or if you did he'd have to agree with you, crack it and sell it raw or try to get it into a legitimate holder. None of that adds up to a very good selling price when it comes time to bail out.

This is a deal with 100 tons worth of downside and one gram worth of upside that is limited to filling a big hole in your album with poor looking coin. I'd say forget it.

fcloud

Comparing the ANACS photo to the AGC photo, you will notice the "S" is solid on the ANACS, and almost nonexsistant on the AGC, this is exactly the way I remember the one I had sent in... The "S" on the AGC is in the right position, and looks like an "S", but I'm pretty sure it is the same '01-P die set I had. (The one I sent in I found in a bag us junk silver, so I was only out the price of silver at the time.) I would need to be assured you could sent it to one of the three top services to have it authenticated, and when it come back as an '01-P get a refund.

Dog97

Congrats dorkkarl. You just bought a fake Barber with a bad mintmark. Here's a pict from David Lawerance showing the proper placement for an S mint mark. As you can see the mm is neither shpped correctly or even in the right place for the ACG coin to be real.

dorkkarl

by comparison to the dl coin, i think the positioning of the acg coin my be correct! tough call considering the poor angle on the acg picture.

i guess the bottom line is the seller ought to get anacs opinion ( i think ncg / pcgs might bag it).

K S

coppercoins

Chiming in here a little with very novice experience with barber quarters (I had a roll of circs once), but a lot of experience with mint marks and mint mark positioning (have compared, authenticated, and attributed thousands of them).

In comparing the positioning photos provided and the ANACS photo provided, the ACG example shows none of the attributes of a genuine mint mark. The positioning is wrong, the strength of the mint mark is wrong, and the shape of the mint mark is wrong. Three strikes. I would call this one a typical ACG crap-authentication.

dorkkarl

waaaaaaiiiiitttt a minute, acg guarantee's authenticity or your money back. i've seen it in print!

K S

goose3

My first thought when I ran across it was that it was Bogus because I've never seen a Weak MM on a barber. I also have a friend that had me take a real '01s to ANACS for him once. It was AG3 and the MM was ALL there.

Wonder why seller ended the item early? did someone email this thread?

goose3

<< <i>waaaaaaiiiiitttt a minute, acg guarantee's authenticity or your money back. i've seen it in print!

K S >>



Isn't that just your 6.00 back for the grading! Seriously