Dabeef, do you homestly think Favre hitting a guy out of bounds (which may happen several times in a game) is as bad as Vikings players coming off the sideline to hit someone? If so you are truly clueless.
I'm also pretty disturbed by those of you who somehow are justifying what the Viking players did because the pack shouldn't have been running back the pic. Big friggin' deal, players showboat all the time, if five Seattle players who weren't evn in uniform had started pounding on Terrell Owens for the whole Sharpie incident, would that have been justifiable too?
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Hey Zimmy, I dont know why you had to lower yourself to this, I guess you just don't have any class
Taking a swing at a player is a common NFL occurence? You do live in a dream world there Zim, but I'm done arguing this stupid point, like I said before, I never said anyone was in the right, but at least I'm not an idiot and claim that my team did nothing wrong, just because I root for them. I will see my revenge in the playoffs when the packers get eliminated in the first round, there record does not reflect the team what so ever. Very overrated!!!
Again, I dont know what this swing is you are talking about. I know during the game favre shoved a viking, probably hovan, in the face. Closest thing to a swing I saw during that game. Plus, if he took a swing at anyone he would have been fined and kicked out of the game. Again, another point that doesn't make sense. Throwing a punch is an automatic fine
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I dont know who #81 is on the vikings, but he is going to get fined alot with Kleinsasser. They just showed it on the news. While Sharper was running it back #81 came up from behind, wrapped his arms around marques andersons neck, and roped him down, then while anderson is down kleinsasser came from behind and nailed anderson in the back. Worse than I thought. Defend that one. I guess you are going to say that is ok though because they were both on the field and the play was going on. Totally classless move by the Vikings. Defend that one. What was really funny though was favre and Hovan after the game yelling and flipping each other off, lol, that was good
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The Favre swing took place up here in MN, how soon we forget, eh? And I'm not going to defend anyone, the Vikings players will be fined, possibly suspended, and they should. What they did was wrong, but like I said before, to say the Vikings are classless and the Packers are angels is just plain one sided. We hate each other, Favre even was quoted as saying it, I imagine after the loss, and the hit on Walsh, and Sharper running it back after the game was over just pissed em off, not making excuses, but I'd like to see your reaction to the situation. I love the quote from Sherman about the Packer dude, can't remember his name, who hit Walsh after he knelt down to stop the clock, "he was just trying to get the ball out of his hands" LOL hilarious. I got a kick out of the Hovan-Favre confrontation also, god I love this rivalry!
Oh and by the way, #81 is Chris Walsh, you know the guy that got leveled after he knelt down to stop the clock?
Again Moss, he did not punch any Viking cause if he did he would have been fined. And I know this so called punch happened in Minn, I have acknowledged that many times, did you not read my posts? And don't say they wouldn't do it cause if they would fine Favre for a hit out of bounds they would definately fine him for throwing a punch. Again, I know he shoved hovan or some Viking in the face, but thats it. Punching a player is an automatic fine. And again, you are trying to defend the Vikings for attacking that guy. What, if this guy chose to attack someone he doesnt even have the guts to go back after the same guy? He had to run up from behind and grab an unrelated player by the neck and take him down? Give me a break. And I never said the Packers are angles, what i said was they don't do some of the junk that other teams do. They dont go out and blindside people, they dont "accidently" fall on the back of anothers legs, they aren't sore losers who have to attack a defenseless player, or whatever, and if anyone would do something like that they would be released like that DB was last year after picking fights on special teams.
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Oh, and just to clear it up, I saw the play again. I was wrong about Kleinsasser, he didnt push Marques in the back, he came up and knocked him over while he was trying to get up. Either way a cheap hit by a sore loser
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The Favre swing took place up here in MN, how soon we forget, eh?
Not "how soon we forget" but "how soon we never saw it in the first place." I watched that game and the highlights and have still never seen a punch thrown.
Also, Moss84, allow me to explain the rules of pro football to you. Just because Chris Walsh takes a knee, he is NOT down, he is free to get up and run again, (this isn't like downing a kick in the end zone). In the pros, you have to be touched to be ruled down, so quit griping about the Chris Walsh play already. It was 100% legal and necessary and it most certainly does not justify Vikings players coming off the sidelines who weren't in the game.
Actually King, I have to correct you there, there is a rule that says if a player voluntarily gives himself up by kneeling or laying on the field and makes no effort to advance he is down. The NFL has already admitted it was a mistake not to blow the whistle, however you cant fault edwards for going up and tackling the guy with the ball. The Vikings should be thanking Edwards, heck if he hadn't gone up there and hit him who knows how long the refs would have waited to blow the whistle on him giving himself up on the play. Heck they only had 1 second left, so if Edwards hadn't tackled him the Vikings may have never got another play off.
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My mistake zimmy, I checked and you're right. However, it doesn't change the central tenant of my argument...since the whistle hadn't blown, the Packers had every right (and responsibility, in fact) to tackle the ball carrier.
GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The NFL says the officiating crew at the Packers-Vikings game made a mistake by not blowing the whistle when Minnesota receiver Chris Walsh took a knee in the closing seconds.
Antuan Edwards' hard hit on Walsh sparked a melee in front of the Vikings' bench after Darren Sharper's interception and 66-yard return on the next play sealed Green Bay's 26-22 victory Sunday night.
"You don't lay a lick like that,'' Vikings defensive tackle Chris Hovan said. "I was infuriated over that.''
The league is reviewing the fight and will announce any fines Wednesday or Thursday, spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday.
Hovan and Packers quarterback Brett Favre, who were each fined $5,000 last month for trash-talking each other during a game at Minneapolis, won't face any disciplinary action because their latest verbal spat occurred after the game, a league source said on condition of anonymity.
After gaining 17 yards on a pass from Daunte Culpepper, Walsh took a knee at the Minnesota 43 with four seconds remaining.
Edwards teed off on Walsh, and the Vikings called timeout with one second left, giving Culpepper a chance for one long last pass.
Vikings coach Mike Tice argued that a player cannot be hit after he kneels. But Packers coach Mike Sherman said Edwards was within his rights.
"The whistle hadn't blown and the officials had not said the play was over,'' Sherman said. "Until the play is over, he had the football, he's a viable threat with the football. So, I don't see how he could have done it any other way.''
Jim Daopoulos, the league's supervisor of officials, said Monday that the whistle should have been blown the moment Walsh took a knee.
"Yes, we missed that one,'' he said.
Daopoulos cited NFL Rule 7-4(a), which reads: "An official shall declare dead ball and the down ended when a player is out of bounds or declares himself down by falling to the ground and makes no effort to advance.''
If Edwards would have hit him after a whistle, the Vikings would have gained 15 yards on the personal foul and would have had the ball at the Green Bay 42 for the last-chance pass.
Asked if Edwards should have just touched Walsh down, Sherman said no, because Edwards was trying to force a fumble.
Sherman said Tice didn't bring up the issue when the two spoke Monday about the postgame scuffle.
"Mike's a good guy and felt terrible about how the game ended, as did I,'' Sherman said. "And I don't anticipate that to happen again.''
Tice said the fight brought shame on both teams.
"I don't condone that type of thing, although I'm not a guy to back down from any challenge and don't want my players to back down from a challenge, (but) there is a 60-minute time limit in the game,'' Tice said.
"If you want to take care of those challenges during the 60-minute time limit, I have no problem with that, but after the game's over, the game's over and you go on your way and then you live to fight another day.''
The Vikings also were upset by the Packers' blocks on Sharper's return and said Green Bay players should be especially sensitive to such things after Warren Sapp's blindside block away from the play Dec. 1 that ended Chad Clifton's season.
Sherman said he admonished Sharper for his game-ending antics.
"What you should do on that play is just knock the ball down,'' Sherman said. "But if you catch it, you fall down, the game's over, we don't risk injury, we don't risk a turnover, which is really the only thing at that point that could lose the ballgame for you.''
Jim Kleinsasser started the brawl by shoving Marques Anderson. Hunter Goodwin and Matt Birk of the Vikings and Mike McKenzie, Rod Walker and Cletidus Hunt of the Packers, among others, joined the fracas.
Packers receiver Javon Walker ended up at the bottom of the pile and bruised his knee when somebody twisted his left leg.
About 40 yards away, Favre crossed paths with Hovan.
Hovan said he "felt this shove on my shoulder and I looked over and I was about to say 'Great job, or 'Great game, man.' ''
But Favre was hop-skipping away, pointing at him and taunting him like a little kid on the playground, he said.
Hovan hollered back, shoved away security officials, was pelted with beer and tobacco juice on his way up the visitors' tunnel and had some choice words for Favre afterward.
"To say there's some bad blood between the teams might be an understatement,'' Favre said. "I've always said football's a tough sport. It's not a nice man's game.''
Wow Dabeef, you are only like 20 posts late with that article. We have mentioned many times that the officials should have blown the play dead but screwed up, and that there is a rule saying the refs should have blown the whistle. However the whistle had not blown, so he tackled the guy with the ball. Big deal. He didnt hit him that hard.
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I'm also pretty disturbed by those of you who somehow are justifying what the Viking players did because the pack shouldn't have been running back the pic. Big friggin' deal, players showboat all the time, if five Seattle players who weren't evn in uniform had started pounding on Terrell Owens for the whole Sharpie incident, would that have been justifiable too?
Sweet Jesus that dude smells bad!
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Hey Zimmy, I dont know why you had to lower yourself to this, I guess you just don't have any class
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Oh and by the way, #81 is Chris Walsh, you know the guy that got leveled after he knelt down to stop the clock?
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Not "how soon we forget" but "how soon we never saw it in the first place." I watched that game and the highlights and have still never seen a punch thrown.
Also, Moss84, allow me to explain the rules of pro football to you. Just because Chris Walsh takes a knee, he is NOT down, he is free to get up and run again, (this isn't like downing a kick in the end zone). In the pros, you have to be touched to be ruled down, so quit griping about the Chris Walsh play already. It was 100% legal and necessary and it most certainly does not justify Vikings players coming off the sidelines who weren't in the game.
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Sweet Jesus that dude smells bad!
NFL says refs should have blown play dead
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GREEN BAY, Wis. -- The NFL says the officiating crew at the Packers-Vikings game made a mistake by not blowing the whistle when Minnesota receiver Chris Walsh took a knee in the closing seconds.
Antuan Edwards' hard hit on Walsh sparked a melee in front of the Vikings' bench after Darren Sharper's interception and 66-yard return on the next play sealed Green Bay's 26-22 victory Sunday night.
"You don't lay a lick like that,'' Vikings defensive tackle Chris Hovan said. "I was infuriated over that.''
The league is reviewing the fight and will announce any fines Wednesday or Thursday, spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday.
Hovan and Packers quarterback Brett Favre, who were each fined $5,000 last month for trash-talking each other during a game at Minneapolis, won't face any disciplinary action because their latest verbal spat occurred after the game, a league source said on condition of anonymity.
After gaining 17 yards on a pass from Daunte Culpepper, Walsh took a knee at the Minnesota 43 with four seconds remaining.
Edwards teed off on Walsh, and the Vikings called timeout with one second left, giving Culpepper a chance for one long last pass.
Vikings coach Mike Tice argued that a player cannot be hit after he kneels. But Packers coach Mike Sherman said Edwards was within his rights.
"The whistle hadn't blown and the officials had not said the play was over,'' Sherman said. "Until the play is over, he had the football, he's a viable threat with the football. So, I don't see how he could have done it any other way.''
Jim Daopoulos, the league's supervisor of officials, said Monday that the whistle should have been blown the moment Walsh took a knee.
"Yes, we missed that one,'' he said.
Daopoulos cited NFL Rule 7-4(a), which reads: "An official shall declare dead ball and the down ended when a player is out of bounds or declares himself down by falling to the ground and makes no effort to advance.''
If Edwards would have hit him after a whistle, the Vikings would have gained 15 yards on the personal foul and would have had the ball at the Green Bay 42 for the last-chance pass.
Asked if Edwards should have just touched Walsh down, Sherman said no, because Edwards was trying to force a fumble.
Sherman said Tice didn't bring up the issue when the two spoke Monday about the postgame scuffle.
"Mike's a good guy and felt terrible about how the game ended, as did I,'' Sherman said. "And I don't anticipate that to happen again.''
Tice said the fight brought shame on both teams.
"I don't condone that type of thing, although I'm not a guy to back down from any challenge and don't want my players to back down from a challenge, (but) there is a 60-minute time limit in the game,'' Tice said.
"If you want to take care of those challenges during the 60-minute time limit, I have no problem with that, but after the game's over, the game's over and you go on your way and then you live to fight another day.''
The Vikings also were upset by the Packers' blocks on Sharper's return and said Green Bay players should be especially sensitive to such things after Warren Sapp's blindside block away from the play Dec. 1 that ended Chad Clifton's season.
Sherman said he admonished Sharper for his game-ending antics.
"What you should do on that play is just knock the ball down,'' Sherman said. "But if you catch it, you fall down, the game's over, we don't risk injury, we don't risk a turnover, which is really the only thing at that point that could lose the ballgame for you.''
Jim Kleinsasser started the brawl by shoving Marques Anderson. Hunter Goodwin and Matt Birk of the Vikings and Mike McKenzie, Rod Walker and Cletidus Hunt of the Packers, among others, joined the fracas.
Packers receiver Javon Walker ended up at the bottom of the pile and bruised his knee when somebody twisted his left leg.
About 40 yards away, Favre crossed paths with Hovan.
Hovan said he "felt this shove on my shoulder and I looked over and I was about to say 'Great job, or 'Great game, man.' ''
But Favre was hop-skipping away, pointing at him and taunting him like a little kid on the playground, he said.
Hovan hollered back, shoved away security officials, was pelted with beer and tobacco juice on his way up the visitors' tunnel and had some choice words for Favre afterward.
"To say there's some bad blood between the teams might be an understatement,'' Favre said. "I've always said football's a tough sport. It's not a nice man's game.''
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