I didn't want you to feel awkward or badly in that you mentioned you had received one or more private messages to that effect yet you would not reveal the source. Given those circumstances, I thought it was best to own up to my comments.
omB....Thanks for the reply my friend.....It's been awhile and I've had nothing but the utmost respect for you from day 1....You've taught me more than on here ....And I probably gave you some grief lol....
I get a bit confused about tone though....And here's why.....I have a roll of 1997 Silver (Bullion) dollars that have been sitting in my closet since then.
I took them out when I first got them...(sealed) and haven't looked at them since..UNTIL a few weeks ago.
About a third of the way down the coins are just DRIPPING with tone.....right over the edge and down the sides...like someone poured something on....
I opened them up and I'm thinking to myself "There's NO way these wouldn't get bodybagged.
No Monster tone yet but close....started as gold on the obverse with a blast white reverse but now the obverse is starting to show some "drip" around the edges... a hint of gold......I look at these coins, (there are about 3) and KNOW these are the monsters of the future.
I have no idea how this happened, they are in a plastic tube since I bought them in 1997.....So who's to sat that they wont be bodybagged in the future? Not me...
What would cause this? I have no fricken idea....All I know is it's happening......and in a short time.
The bullion coins you mention do have one critical parameter that is different from business strike or proof strike coinage and that is in composition. A silver coin made for circulation or as a proof is 0.900 silver and 0.100 copper, in other words, it's 90% silver and 10% copper. The bullion pieces, however, are 0.999 silver, so, they are 99.9% silver. In this purity silver is more highly reactive to trace amounts of environmental pollutants. Your bullion pieces would probably not only tone more quickly but would also likey tone with more deep blues, violets and reds than silver circulation coinage. The grading services will sometimes slab these but other times will shoot them down. Also, if you live in a warm or humid climate you can expect these to tone faster. You may have had them sealed in a tube all this time but there could have been moisture sealed in the tube with them or some other impurity could have been in there.
I am certainly no expert on AT versus NT (or OT). I just dopn't pay much of a premium at all for nice toned coins which means I usually have to pass up what could be great coins.
Cointoast: You say you were on the old CLCT?PCGS boards? How long ago? I do not recall you and I was one of the 1st generation chat members right here back in 1997-1998. Did you come in later on?
Perhaps we can share some of tthe other chat members names we both chatted with and possibly come up with interesting shared memories. I used to chat with earlycopper, luke, 59a and so forth. Of course, amwldcoin came in as well in the real old days. Any of them ring a bell?
TomB..Unreal....What I left out on the last post was the fact that they ARE turning blue with some green (about 20% of the obverse).
I live in Napa Ca. and we had an earthquake about a year ago (5.5) and while I had some water damage (yup..closet too) It wasn't enough to worry me or call in the contractors.
But in the closet where they are (coins)there is bubbling of the paint in one corner.....that tells me SOME rain got in last year but it wasn't enough to worry me about spending $$$ on it lol.........The tube with the coins was half open.....
There now have been hundreds if not thousands of threads that discus in some way the issue of AT. While I have no personal experience in hands on experimental toning, my conclusions from these threads and my own observations are: Many AT coins are recognized as such by the majority of observers with some experience. These are deemed as undesirable by most collectors Some coins that are AT are detectable as such only by the more sophisticated observers. A few of these end up in slabs by the most reputable services. A few coins are so well AT that only a handful (how big are your hands?) of observers can be sure of the doctoring. More of these may have gone undetected by the services. It is possible that an occasional coin believed to be "original" by essentially all professionals and expert collectors had some help along the way. A few coins are believed to be AT by many observers and even by the services have never intentionally been doctored. Thus there is a edge of the toning world where intentional and unintentional toning overlap. Sometimes only the doctor who did the deed or the collector who stored the coin in conditions that led to unusual effects knows for sure. This may be a naive assessment but it rings true to me.
cointoast/Ray - if you end up with the coin (which I recommend against), I am perfectly happy to have you send it to me for inspection. I could also show it to some dealer friends of mine in order to determine the source of what I believe to be the artificial color.
What manners... your post insuults most of the members of this board. I see you later say you didn't mean to... but you haven't editteed the title yet.
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In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
I get a bit confused about tone though....And here's why.....I have a roll of 1997 Silver (Bullion) dollars that have been sitting in my closet since then.
I took them out when I first got them...(sealed) and haven't looked at them since..UNTIL a few weeks ago.
About a third of the way down the coins are just DRIPPING with tone.....right over the edge and down the sides...like someone poured something on....
I opened them up and I'm thinking to myself "There's NO way these wouldn't get bodybagged.
No Monster tone yet but close....started as gold on the obverse with a blast white reverse but now the obverse is starting to show some "drip" around the edges... a hint of gold......I look at these coins, (there are about 3) and KNOW these are the monsters of the future.
I have no idea how this happened, they are in a plastic tube since I bought them in 1997.....So who's to sat that they wont be bodybagged in the future? Not me...
What would cause this? I have no fricken idea....All I know is it's happening......and in a short time.
So Who's to say?
Thanks for the reply.......Your still AAA+++
jom
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
Cointoast: You say you were on the old CLCT?PCGS boards? How long ago? I do not recall you and I was one of the 1st generation chat members right here back in 1997-1998. Did you come in later on?
Perhaps we can share some of tthe other chat members names we both chatted with and possibly come up with interesting shared memories. I used to chat with earlycopper, luke, 59a and so forth. Of course, amwldcoin came in as well in the real old days. Any of them ring a bell?
I live in Napa Ca. and we had an earthquake about a year ago (5.5) and while I had some water damage (yup..closet too) It wasn't enough to worry me or call in the contractors.
But in the closet where they are (coins)there is bubbling of the paint in one corner.....that tells me SOME rain got in last year but it wasn't enough to worry me about spending $$$ on it lol.........The tube with the coins was half open.....
Good observation.......Thanks again....
here are the names I remember.....
treedoc ....gmarguli, Robbi-the-Okie, Spooly, maloclm small, coincobb, DOG97 (did he leave? best EVER!)
pmh1nic, mtabusrunner 81 5 , mrpaseo, mongoose1199, CoinGeezer, KAJ.....
was a great group......any idea where they are now?
Many AT coins are recognized as such by the majority of observers with some experience. These are deemed as undesirable by most collectors
Some coins that are AT are detectable as such only by the more sophisticated observers. A few of these end up in slabs by the most reputable services.
A few coins are so well AT that only a handful (how big are your hands?) of observers can be sure of the doctoring. More of these may have gone undetected by the services.
It is possible that an occasional coin believed to be "original" by essentially all professionals and expert collectors had some help along the way.
A few coins are believed to be AT by many observers and even by the services have never intentionally been doctored.
Thus there is a edge of the toning world where intentional and unintentional toning overlap. Sometimes only the doctor who did the deed or the collector who stored the coin in conditions that led to unusual effects knows for sure.
This may be a naive assessment but it rings true to me.
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