OK..So everyone thinks this is not real tone...But..
cointoast
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After doing a little bit of digging I've come up with a list of the most common "Ways" to fake toning.
Looking at the coin (URL Below) and then at the list (below that) which method would you say was used?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804059691&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6
1) Cigar or cigarette smoke, directed at a coin's surface will produce a light brown tone. Frequent repitition of this proceedure will produce darker browns. (tip-off....smell the coin!)
2) Place a coin in a paper coin envelope, bake for 30 minutes in a 300 degree oven. The coin will be a bit dull, but have taken on shades of purple, yellowish-green, or dark blue. "Over-cooked" coins can appear dull dark gray/blue/black. (tip-off...dull surfaces).
3) A weak sulphur solution, diluted with alcohol or water, will yield gold, golden-brown towns. A stronger solution will yield deep purplish-blue tones. Too strong a solution will yield gunmetal gray surfaces. This is a very deceptive method if "done right".
4) Coat a coin with corn oil, and bake inside a foil wrapped baked potato. A purplish-blue, or orange color will result.
5) Brush a coins with a blend of motor oil and corn oil. Bake at 275-300 degrees for an hour. Deep blue/purple colors appear.
6) Make a solution of sulphur powder and alcohol. The sulphur powder will not dissolve...but that is okay. Dip a coin into the solution, and set the coin on a table. Set the alcohol on fire, and let it burn out. Repeated "burnings" yield varying shades of gold-brown-blue-purple-black.
7) Sulphur ointment (home brew = vaseline+sulphur powder) can be used to retone or touch up copper coins.
8) Coins painted with gun bluing solution can yield various shades of the color spectrum.
9) A coin soaked in dandruff shampoo, for a couple of days, can produce green, yellow, and brown colors.
10) Place a coin into a hot toaster or on a hot frying pan. It will eventually take on a dull gray or black color.
11) Placing a coin in a paper envelope, or plastic holder...or a sealed proof set...in a sunny windowsill for a long period (1 to 3 months) will eventually result in a variety of colors. The coins may look "sick" or faded though.
12) Submerge a coin in a weak solution of sulphurated potash (liver of sulphur) for 5 seconds. Various colors can be had with each repeated dipping.
13) Place an inexpensive gold coin in a jar of "jeweluster " coin dip. Let sit for a couple of weeks. Dipping silver coins in this new "smart dip" will give the a golden tone.
So grab a few Washington Quarters....they are great to experiment with.....and try a few of these. But be careful not to burn, electrocute, or poison yourself with this stuff!!
Looking at the coin (URL Below) and then at the list (below that) which method would you say was used?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804059691&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6
1) Cigar or cigarette smoke, directed at a coin's surface will produce a light brown tone. Frequent repitition of this proceedure will produce darker browns. (tip-off....smell the coin!)
2) Place a coin in a paper coin envelope, bake for 30 minutes in a 300 degree oven. The coin will be a bit dull, but have taken on shades of purple, yellowish-green, or dark blue. "Over-cooked" coins can appear dull dark gray/blue/black. (tip-off...dull surfaces).
3) A weak sulphur solution, diluted with alcohol or water, will yield gold, golden-brown towns. A stronger solution will yield deep purplish-blue tones. Too strong a solution will yield gunmetal gray surfaces. This is a very deceptive method if "done right".
4) Coat a coin with corn oil, and bake inside a foil wrapped baked potato. A purplish-blue, or orange color will result.
5) Brush a coins with a blend of motor oil and corn oil. Bake at 275-300 degrees for an hour. Deep blue/purple colors appear.
6) Make a solution of sulphur powder and alcohol. The sulphur powder will not dissolve...but that is okay. Dip a coin into the solution, and set the coin on a table. Set the alcohol on fire, and let it burn out. Repeated "burnings" yield varying shades of gold-brown-blue-purple-black.
7) Sulphur ointment (home brew = vaseline+sulphur powder) can be used to retone or touch up copper coins.
8) Coins painted with gun bluing solution can yield various shades of the color spectrum.
9) A coin soaked in dandruff shampoo, for a couple of days, can produce green, yellow, and brown colors.
10) Place a coin into a hot toaster or on a hot frying pan. It will eventually take on a dull gray or black color.
11) Placing a coin in a paper envelope, or plastic holder...or a sealed proof set...in a sunny windowsill for a long period (1 to 3 months) will eventually result in a variety of colors. The coins may look "sick" or faded though.
12) Submerge a coin in a weak solution of sulphurated potash (liver of sulphur) for 5 seconds. Various colors can be had with each repeated dipping.
13) Place an inexpensive gold coin in a jar of "jeweluster " coin dip. Let sit for a couple of weeks. Dipping silver coins in this new "smart dip" will give the a golden tone.
So grab a few Washington Quarters....they are great to experiment with.....and try a few of these. But be careful not to burn, electrocute, or poison yourself with this stuff!!
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10) Place a coin into a hot toaster or on a hot frying pan. It will eventually take on a dull gray or black color
with this method, I always get a nice blue with clad quarters.
Mike
K S
Clankeye
Russ, NCNE
btw clankeye, from 1 karl to another carl - good to hear from you again.
all-right-ee-then! now let's get down to business:
the reason why cointoast is near coming across as supercilious (or is that super-silly?) & drumming up so much debate etc., i think, is because the a lot of folks have simply refused to take up the task of deciding for themselves what consitutes a-t. for me, any coin w/ wild'n'crazy colors is a-t'd, period. for me , it is just a question of whether it is likeable or not. what is it for you??? the usual definition on this board seems to be "if it ain't in plastic it's a-t". which is absurd, but just as absurd is not to have a concrete idea of what you consider a-t (which is really the same as saying "beautiful toning" where beauty is in the eyes of the beholder)
i liked where cointoast put forth that he LIKES the coin (stone-mtn), & in that regard, i don't think $279 was too much to pay for it. for me, i wouldn't have bought it - i like the kind of a-t that wayte-raymond boards and dansco albums create. but i don't see where he got ripped IF he really likes the coin. some people like yellow volkswagens!
it's real unfair to be slamming cointoast (at least what i perceived as slams) when in fact, the slamm-ers have done absolutely nothing to state what they think is a-t. there is no definition that'll work for everyone, but i'd think that before someone gets slamed, the slamm-er ought to state his position on the subject. it's real easy to make fun of somebody when you don't open yourself up to criticism.
that's all i got right now, just my 2c worth. i don't know if i'll keep on posting to the board like i used to, but like i said, i just happened to click it on & saw some familiar (and well-liked) names, including by buddy "clankeye", "coinguy1", & "russ" & many others. but i'm still pretty danged leery of the direction certain things have gone on the board.
take care 1 & all.
K S
K S
Russ, NCNE
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a no brainer ugly AT coin
sincerely michael
call me the DUKE OF EARL!!!
bwuaaaaahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahah!!!!
K S
Actually, I am already the "Duke of Earl".
EARL is the name of the rotisserie/fantasy baseball league that I participate in and whomever wins the championship each year is called "The Duke of Earl". I won this past season and until I lose my crown, am the "Duke". So, unless you want to duke it out with me, buster, find another name.
What someone calls "AT" is there business but I've never really read a good definition except for maybe "Intent". BTW, if anyone thinks the plastic is gonna protect them from so-called "AT" (however that might be defined) they are living in Fantasyland c/o Disney.
jom
I believe that the "plastic" does protect people to a significant extent.
Try selling a questionable/odd color, toned coin in a PCGS or NGC holder vs. trying to sell an uncertified one - usually a huge difference in liquidity and often a large advantage in price, as well.
Granted, if you pay 20 times sheet for a wildly colored coin, the level of protection afforded by the plastic might be diminished, but, in most cases, it is clearly preferable to have the coin inside the magic plastic.
OK, is duke-nuk'em taken???
K S
"dang, mark!
OK, is duke-nuk'em taken???"
To my knowledge, that title is still available - you'd better grab it fast.
Just got the Stoney...Love it and am keeping it.
I'm sure it will provide me with hours and hours of magic time while I'm taking the bus to my job over at the fillin station.
It's amazing how anything shiny just makes my day...I picked up a gumwrapper (Juicy Fruit) yesterday on my way home from the dollar store.
I've been staring at it all day..
I put it on my hot plate when I got home (Had to heat up the tuna surprise) and that baby's starting to tone like you wouldn't believe.......
<< <i>...it's important to look at as many holdered toned coins you can lay your eyes on so that you can get a better idea of what is "market acceptable" at least in the services mind >>
... that is if you happen to care what the services think (i think this is what your trying to say, right?)
cointoast, i think its great you like the coin. enjoy it, & don't give a 2nd thought to those who would try & tell you how to spend your $.
buy what YOU like, & it don't matter 1 lick what others think
K S