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LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
... on EBay, raw? I was cruising around and there seems like there are a few of them, this is one of those dates where I'd really want a certified coin unless I knew the dealer from whom I was purchasing and trusted him/her well.

Then there is this, horrible picture, can't tell anything about it accept that it is a merc in a holder. People really need to try a bit harder when they are selling something like a 1916d merc. What amazes me is that there are actually 6 bids on it.

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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    Other than not being able to see the scratches, even from that small picture you can see that it is in nicer condition than most of the low grade 16-D's that come up for sale.

    Usually the reverse lettering is ground into the rim. This is a very nice looking coin and hopefully by being slabbed it is genuine.

    I would have no problem bidding on this coin (within reason). image

    Joe.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Considering it's one of the most counterfeited/altered coins in the market, I'd never buy a 16-D raw.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • I would never buy a 16-d raw. In fact I own a pcgs 16-d . There are too many phony 16-D Merc coins out there. If I owned a raw one , I would certainly have it slabed .The cost of slabing would surely be re-couped when it was sold.



    Walt
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem I have with the pictured aution is that the picture of the slab cut off the date/mm and the picture of the back is so blurry I can't see the "d". That concerns me.
  • If you want to bid on this coin, contact the seller. Maybe he can send you a better picture of the coin. Ask some questions that you may have.

    Walt
  • Raw - NEVER!

    In a slab (only PCGS, ANACS or NGC) and only if it stayed within the reasonable level.

    This auction - not without better pictures including the entire slab and a close-up of the reverse so that the mint mark was
    very clear and verifiable.
    Cecil
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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    But you can see the mintage, which tells you it is a 16-D.

    Also if you supersize the picture, I can see the "D" clearly on my computer (17" monitor).

    Joe.
  • Actually, if you look at the slab, it says, "Mintage: 264,000" which would correspond to the 16-D. Also you can get the cert number off the back of the holder.

    Provided you get the coin pictured, I think you'll get a 16-D. It appears to be a problem coin, but that's another issue.
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  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744
    I would never buy a 16-D raw, even from a dealer I trusted. People make mistakes, and this coin is just too high risk with the massive number of counterfeits. I have heard that the counterfeits outnumber the original coins.
    Tom

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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    As far as being a "problem" coin, I have seen coins with visible nicks slabbed without mention. Compared to this coins "scratches" the nicks were more visible and uglier.

    Again, I would not want to pay full retail for it, but I would not have a problem bidding on it.

    Joe.
  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    image<-------------Must be a sucker!

    I guess I'm in the minority. I have bought and would buy a 16-D raw, if (and I realize its a big if, the seller will stand behind the authenticity of the coin). I've bought 2 low grade 16-d's raw in the past and both were authenticated and graded by ANACS. Maybe I got lucky but both dealers (and one was an EBAY transaction) confirmed that they would take a return if the coin was determined to be counterfeit.

    It is one of the most counterfeited coins, but what I have not read on this thread so far, is the fact that very FEW of the counterfeits are in the low grades. It is NOT usual to see a counterfeit AG-3 or G-4. Most of the couterfeits are in the middle grades....and it makes sense if you think about it. Adding a 'worn out' D mintmark to a low grade coin is more difficult (and the reward less substantial) that adding a regular D to a VF coin.

    image<--------worried that he will now be inundated with offers of raw 16-d Merc's!!!!!!!

    Greg Hansen, Melbourne, FL Click here for any current EBAY auctions Multiple "Circle of Trust" transactions over 14 years on forum

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this coin is truly in a SEGS holder, there's a 99.9% that it’s real. You can argue with SEGS' grading, but my experience has been that they get it right when it comes to spotting counterfeits.

    As for scratches, that’s where the poor picture comes into play. I’ve seen SEGS coins marked for defects that given the grade of coin were hardly worth mentioning. What do you expect to see on a VG coin but a few light scratches? It comes with the territory. Other times the marks were major and probably would have rated a body bag from NGC or PCGS. YOU GOT TO LOOK TO TELL!

    Right now a $100 you can’t really go wrong on this coin. I sold an NGC AG-3 recently for over $300.
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  • hookooekoohookooekoo Posts: 381 ✭✭✭
    There is no way I would purchase a raw 16-D on eBay from a seller I didn't already have a relationship with.

    Now I would be willing to purchase a raw 16-D from a reputable dealer I knew who would be willing to stand behind the authenticity of the coin, but...

    About six months ago, I sent emails to over 100 dealers looking for a 16-D as a birthday gift for my wife (she had purchased a few Mercs on trips to the coin shop with me and she was thinking about staring a set). Of the dealers with a raw 16-D in stock, almost none of them were willing to get the coin graded before selling it to me. Of those that had a graded coin in stock, they typically wanted well over Red Book prices (like $600-700 for a G4).

    In the end, my diligence paid off. I eventually found this coin in a in PCGS G6 for about $550. Of course I owe a lot to several members of this board who helped me when I was looking for advice in purchasing a 16-D (it was my first MAJOR coin purchase).


    Bill, $100 is only the openning bid. Right now the bid is up to $410 with 3 days to go. Based on what I've seen of 16-D on eBay, I expect that coin to evenually go for about $700.
  • LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,714 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hookooekoo, that's a nice dime ya got there. Wanna sell it?image

    Just kidding, but it is a nice one and a nice price from what I can tell.
  • I just sold my 16-d on ebay, ngc ag-3 for 380.00. I would not buy a raw one from anyone. Also be wary of buying raw gold on ebay.
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    I would never buy a 1916D or 1909SVDB raw from ebay unless the auction had pics big enough to authenticate, assurances that the pics are of the coin you'll get, a satisfactory return policy, and a dealer with a good reputation.

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