I found a CERT Number THIEF !!!!!

RICK15JK · November 21, 2002 3:52AM

Well,

I bought numerous coins from heritage last week. I went to go register them and low and behold
all of them were registered by someone else. I informed PCGS and they sent the person a email
and now I can add the coins. But if you go to the section on the PCGS site where you can see the added
and deleted items and I believe I found the thief. (and no it was not the seller that gave them to heritage) These were added when the auction started and then deleted when I contacted PCGS. Should
I tell the board the user name????

Rick

kieferscoins · November 21, 2002 3:53AM

You should do what you think is right.

Let PCGS take care of the problem instead of having the board trash the name.

Cameron Kiefer

PTVETTER · November 21, 2002 4:01AM

I say, let the chips fall where they may, if you do something wrong or right be responsible for your actions. If no one knows what stopping them from doing it again.

The person can always say they are sorry and move on.

Give up thier name and set name!!!!!!!

DAM · November 21, 2002 4:31AM

Give the name. Obviously they were doing something underhanded. If they intended to purchase the lots and lost, they should have deleted the coins.

Most people learn at an early age to play by the rules. Those that don't should suffer the consequences. Public humiliation would be a good start.

Let that then be a lesson to others, IMO!

cosmicdebris · November 21, 2002 5:01AM

Give 'em up! Let's have a public lynching!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DeepCoin · November 21, 2002 5:04AM

Tell the name, but dont call them a thief. Just say they still had your coin registered which is a fact.

inneedof70s · November 21, 2002 5:28AM

I agree. A thief should be exposed!!!!

WWBillman · November 21, 2002 5:30AM

Give him up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But do it in a new thread so it does not get buried in this one.

raycyca · November 21, 2002 6:54AM

Give him up in public. Hopefully this will deter others from doing the same.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS · November 21, 2002 8:51AM

This sounds like we're following the Winona Ryder trial

Grow up guys and move on

Noone got hurt

khayse · November 21, 2002 10:03AM

If you see something disturbing post the facts.

If the person whose name you post wants to offer an explanation he is free to do so.

-KHayse

khayse · November 21, 2002 10:11AM

Stewart,

> Grow up guys and move on
Yep, it's just lying about coins.
That brings the list of things that it's OK to lie about to "coins" and "sex".
Please let me know anything else that should be added to this list.

> Noone got hurt
You know all the consequences of every action?
Please to meet you God!

-KHayse

Sealyp · November 21, 2002 10:22AM

Come on KHayse, lets not get this board like the UScoin fourm. Can't you and I and Stewart disagree without resorting to personal attacks? I find myself somewhere between the two of you. I don't care if his name is posted, in my mind he (or she) asked for it. But I don't see it as the big deal it's being made out to be either. Frankly SO WHAT! He lied, no its not okay and should be discouraged, but banned ? To much, heck we kept Clinton in office, and he lied under oath. (MUCH greater sin).

However I can disagree with you, AND with Stewart, without resorting getting personal. A much better way to phrase your side of someone getting hurt by these actions would be to state who or even how they were, myself, I don't see how anyone other than the thief, liar whatever you call them could have gotten hurt, and I am not God. (my dog may disagree with that)

DAM · November 21, 2002 12:38PM

Sealyp,

To much, heck we kept Clinton in office, and he lied under oath. (MUCH greater sin).

Honestly, I think that's part of the problem. The person who held the highest office in our country got away with it. So everything else is just a little bump in the road and doesn't mean a thing.

BULL!

An no sir, WE did not keep him in office! I don't know who the ones were that did, but it certainly wasn't ME.

Spooly · November 21, 2002 1:04PM

I am willing to bet that some of the other coins in the set are fake too!

RegistryCoin · November 21, 2002 2:56PM

It depends where, or to whom, you want to draw the attention.
Personally, I'd follow our YN of the Year's suggestion:

<< <i>You should do what you think is right. >>

RICK15JK · November 21, 2002 9:12PM

I took the following steps.

I emailed the set users email that was listed in the set. and stated to him/her that this should not
be tolerated. I received a email back with the following reply: K Yes that was it. I will not give the name out. included in the email i sent each and every post on this board in the last couple of days on
cert stealing ect.. I hope they learned a lesson.

Rick

DAM · November 21, 2002 10:24PM

Fair enough. Hopefully they learned their lesson. Perhaps this will serve notice if there are others doing the same. For if they do... Rick, Coin Detective will be hot on their trail!

Good work Rick.

khayse · November 22, 2002 7:09AM

Sealy,

I don't know why you're addressing me. I don't see anything
in my post that could be construed as a personal attack.

On the other hand Stewart told us to grow up.
I find his post an order of magnitude more insulting than
my sarcastic reply.

> Frankly SO WHAT! He lied, no its not okay and should be discouraged, but banned ?
First off I don't see how your suggestion of doing nothing is
going to discourage this behavior. Second, I didn't say to ban
him, I just want his name made public (and a scarlet 'A' tattooed
on his forehead).

I guess we're all done here.

-KHayse

lazeroo · November 22, 2002 7:32AM

as usual getting excited about nothing.

did you ever think the coins you bought might have been registered in a set and they just needed to be deleted after they sold them ?

I didn't think so .

Sealyp · November 22, 2002 9:46AM

Your right khayse, I shouldn't have gone out and named you. After re-reading the post, It did seem more sarcastic than personal (the pleased to me you God remark). I apoligize. As to the banning part, I wasn't meaning to imply that you were for that, that was a more general comment.

psxchelly · November 22, 2002 1:44PM

the unfortunate thing about this, is that this is not an isolated incident... People steal reg numbers from EBay all the time, not just Heritage. When I sell pr70's on ebay I always black out the number. People ask for the reg numbers but i wont give them out and then i miss out on prossible higher bids.

something should be done to the perpetrator to show that PCGS gives a hoot about honest Reg Set owners..

michelle

DAM · November 22, 2002 9:05PM

Michelle,

I'm one that keeps cert records. When I was putting my Two Cent set together, I would record detail information about a coin I passed on, including the cert number. So I can understand why someone would want to know what it is. I just returned a coin the other day and recorded the cert number. I never want to see that coin again!

Some dealers provide the last 4 or 5 digits in the URL when you look at a coins image. Something you night consider so you don't lose a sale.

Bottom line, I don't blame you for not giving it out. It's a shame there's dishonesty in the Registry.

mdwoods · November 23, 2002 11:43AM

I just won this auction on ebay. Someone stole the number. Registry number thief strikes again.

It ticks me off, not the first time this has happened to me. mdwoods

IrishMike · November 23, 2002 6:51PM

There is a simple answer to this problem, either put in all the numbers of slab into the registry for all to see or do as NGC does, enter the last 7 numbers for PCGS slabbed coins and everyone could see who had stolen the number. PCGS wouldn't have to do as much policing. Does anyone know why they don't do this now?

Even if they chose to hide their set by process of elimination you would be fairly certain who had registered the coin.

egsantos · November 23, 2002 7:19PM

As I put in other thread, is absolutely simple.

PCGS will include the name of set where the coin in registered in "Certificate Verification" Service.

Will be easy see the origin of the coin and if someone uses inappropriately a Cert number.

Edson

mdwoods · November 23, 2002 10:31PM

Does anyone know why they don't do this now?

No I don't, and that is an excellent suggestion. I am going to call Customer Service Monday morning.

Mark · November 24, 2002 3:43AM

Does anyone know why they don't do this now?

No I don't, and that is an excellent suggestion. I am going to call Customer Service Monday morning.

One problem with this suggestion is what to do with "closed sets." For instance, of the top 10 MS statehood quarter sets, 6 are closed.
Of those that are open, out of the top 20 sets, the Donn Murphey Collection and the Pittsburgh Collector are the only sets that have 99-P MS68 Pennsylvania quarters registered. Presumably, at least some of the closed sets also have 99-P MS68 Pennsylvania quarters registered.

Mark

IrishMike · November 24, 2002 6:01AM

Well then Mark you call in the big doggies and tell them to unlock or remove. My guess is BJ can handle that issue.

MJCoin · November 24, 2002 7:18AM

It's pretty doggone bad when we spend in excess of $1,600.00 to purchase a coin, only to find out the cert. has been stolen. These thief''s need to be banned from the PCGS registry FOREVER!!!
Mark, I'm really sorry to hear of your dilemma. I would be rabid if I had won the coin!

I found a CERT Number THIEF !!!!!

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