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coinbuf

Well I am very unhappy with PCGS on this submission This coin has been in my collection for a year and I know that the person I bought it from had it for over a yr. In all that time the coin has never changed as it would have if it were altered but PCGS bodybaged it for cleaning No WAY!!! Boy am I mad!!! GEM26D If PCGS wanted to lose a customer thay have succeded!!!

Thanks for the place to vent.

Chris

tjkillian

I can see your point of view, but you don't know where the coins have been in their entire life since being minted. Also, PCGS has made mistakes in the past. Perhaps you can take it to a few of your favorite dealers and have them take a look. There is always NGC...

Tom

KlectorKid

coinbuf

Right you are Tom; it is on the way to NGC right now.

Chris

airplanenut

Coinbuf- I realize that you are mad, but I remember the thread when you decided to submit, and a few people did say the color was off...

coinbuf

You are correct airplanenut a few members were unsure. My point is that I have seen this coin for over two yrs and it has not changed in that time at all. if it were cleaned ar altered the coin would have changed; most coins show signs of change within 3-4 months of any cleaning.

EVillageProwler

You are correct airplanenut a few members were unsure. My point is that I have seen this coin for over two yrs and it has not changed in that time at all. if it were cleaned ar altered the coin would have changed; most coins show signs of change within 3-4 months of any cleaning.

Coinbuf,

Many forms of improper cleaning will NOT result in a coin's appearance changing continuously. The coin could have been improperly cleaned before you knew about it, and then stabalized. Thus, for the past two years, it would not have changed *and* it would still have been improperly cleaned.

Before you send it off to NGC, I'd show it to a knowledgable copper person.

EVP

clackamas

Wow, that coin, if original, is a high power 26-D, from the photo a 66RD, which would make it a POP 2/0 coin. PCGS would be ultra paranoid about grading it, since if slabbed is worth well over $10K. I would send it to NGC and/or ANACS. I have a 26-S that is also killer and IMO original and should go 65RD but it got bagged once for questionable color, another for cleaning. 2 Different reasons on the same coin?

prooflike

I think the color is wrong, possibly cleaned/retoned many years ago. It just doesn't have any fire to it for the lack of brown in its color.

my3cents

The color that the pic exhibits is totally due to the type oflight it was taken under. I can make a silver coin look like a gold coin (withlots of luster to boot) under the right light.

The coin doesn't appear cleaned to me. I think the other opinion is more right on: Paranoid.

The folks at PCGS don't want to be the ones to say it's okay. That's all there is to it. Send it to ANACS.

DCAMFranklin

Great looking coin. I can't wait to hear what NGC does with the coin! Make sure to keep us updated.

Ogden

That's a gorgeous coin! Doesn't look cleaned to me. Is it possible that the grading services are leery of encapsulating high end coin if there could me any chance of cleaning, beacuse they may have to make it good one day? Does this come into the grading process? I had a 1909 vdb and 1949 Lincoln returned recently because of "questionable toning" These coins aren't worth the risk of toning! I don't understand!!

Ogden

truthteller

I don't mean to be rude, but the coin has been processed. THe texture difference on the high points gives it away. Just an opinion.


TRUTH

clevegreg

I would tend to agree with you Truth. Something just doesn't look right with the coin. Just my opinion.

Greg

homerunhall

Coinbuf...I'd like to see the coin. Send to PCGS with a copy of this thread and I'll take a look at it personally. Include your phone number and I'll call you if you want. I must tell you that while it is not possible to grade accurately from a scan, it looks like there is some high point "rub" and the color is a little off to me.

David

Rampage

Mr. Hall. I must say I am impressed by your reply to this thread. It shows you ARE trying to make a difference and I think allot of us appreciate your initiative here. Even though it is not my coin and I do also feel that on my last submission, PCGS totally through a bomb on me, I must thank you. I waited a whole year before submitting another batch of coins to PCGS because of what was being said in thhis forum about the recent submissions. After a year, I thought, well maybe people were over reacting. Well, they were NOT and I was very unhappy. But, anyway. It is over and done with and I am no longer a member of the collector club because of it. Regards, Rampage!

sinin1

The flow lines look off to me on the left field above liberty - judging from the photo and light reflection I would say WHIZZED but maybe just cleaned - bummer if so - really good coin.

coinbuf

Thanks for all the support and advice on this coin. Also a big thanks to you David for taking the time to respond. I thik that everyone has added some good points to my problem. In person I think the coin exibits exceptional cartwheel luster which is very hard for an inexperienced camaraman like me to capture. No matter what I will still love this coin.

Chris

EVillageProwler

A couple of years ago, I'm sitting at Stack's doing lot viewing. This dealer that I sort of know sat down next to me also to do lot viewing. After a while, we sort of strike up a conversation. He seemed really bitter about something, and started to brag about how he had this secret process that could fool the services into slabbing red coppers.

Regarding this claim, he's pretty well known. I'm guessing that he's the same guy that Laura mentioned earlier.

You know what was funny about this? Afterwards -- I think at a Baltimore show -- he shows me a coin of his (a silver coin) and wants to know if I want to buy it. Why on God's green Earth would I knowingly buy a coin from an admitted coin doctor? Yeah, he was only talking about coppers...

EVP