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The "state" of the coin market, does it matter?

I am always amused how some dealers tout the coin market like if they are selling stocks. They use terms like bullish, strong buy, etc.

My question is does it really matter to the average collector what's "hot"? Is anyone really interested in how many millions in inventory a dealer "just got in"? Does it matter that coins the average collector cannot afford sell for record prices and dealers use that as a selling point to sell say, Sac $?

There always seems to be an urgency with some sellers with "you gotta get in now" mentality. When I hear that I think, "did the dealer tell the seller of the coin, you have to sell now the market is hot"?

Just wondering.

Comments

  • Sounds like marketing hype. You find it in any business. Just the other day, I was inquiring about a dog at the pound and I got the line, "Someone else is interested, you better act fast." A week later, the pup is still there.
  • If the market is depressed, then most serious collectors may spend a little more money on the sets they enjoy collecting. It dosen't take a dealers ad or special newsletter to tell the real collectors how the market is going.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My opinion on the coin market is . . . the same as any other market . . .

    Top 10% -- true collector -- no effect
    Bottom 10% -- true collector -- no effect

    Everybody else -- collector/investor -- rides the waves baby. . .
    Doug
  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    I am impressed that CDN,Heritage, RH, Coin World, etc repeatedly tell us that the market is "white hot", ready to move, selective but very strong; we are also reminded that the next auction is a chance of a lifetime. It is called marketing. I also note that how much you pay is an indicator of its true value. This is called rationalization.
    Trime
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As someone who is nearly a pure collector, I dislike a ``hot'' market because this means more and more people are interested in coins, thus driving prices up.

    As a seller, however, a ``hot'' market is precisely what I want because that just increases my business activity.

    Take a look at Early Dollars... About three years ago, their prices were cheap as heck. Then, they became ``hot'' and their prices increased. Bummer for me when I want to buy. Good for me 'cuz I sold off my mediocre specimens.

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

    I can be reached at evillageprowler@gmail.com

  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    I find it pathetic how the hypesters keep talking about the market being so hot. If it really were this hot for this long, then common date MS65 Morgans would cost $10,000.

    Like EVP said, I'd prefer a dead market so I could pick up things cheap. The only problem with that is I try to collect quality coins and quality is always in demand.
  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    See? You guys are riding the waves . . . just like me.

    I have trouble describing the market as a whole. There are some "white hot" areas, and there are some "dead" areas where good buys exist. If you are a seller, go for the first. If you are a collector, seek the dead and you shall find it.
    Doug
  • The market always seems hot when I work hard at posting many coins. Soon, I have too many coins to ship, not enough time to list and the market isn't as hot any more which gives me time to list coins and watch the market heat up.

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    adrian

    anaconda.rare.coins (on eBay)
  • critocrito Posts: 1,735
    I expect a seller to hype their product a bit. Doesn't really matter if it's a coin dealer with all PQ coins or a CEO touting his company stock on CNBC. But when all these supposedly unbiased observers start agreeing, usually with three aliases, it really starts to resemble "the boiler room" IMHO.
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    the market as is its current state in my limited time here the last 35 years or so is thin and undercapitalized

    for me i am sure there are some super slow times and some super hot times but overall the market is okie and evens out over the long haul

    quality
    value
    eye appeal
    have always ruled

    if you have coins for sale with reasonable eye appeal and value and quality you will do okie

    sincerely michael
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Michael: Yes 35 years is limited. That doe not get you back to the good old days of 1963 to 1965 when coins were still available and every bank was a dealer. image

    Those were not the days to be undercapitalized. :-(

    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    to think waht i could have gotten in 63 to 65 oreville... man

    but for me i think what is coming is even greater

    but i am sure i will never be able to capitalize on it as i could never guess what will be in demand but wahtever it is i am sure i will not like it...........lol

    sincerely michael
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,381 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I look at it like the stock market...keep investing regularly and count on dollar cost averaging....I plan on selling in 30 years (Lord willing) so I'm interested in what the market is doing in 2032.....any predictions??
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.

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