Opinion on this Peace $ please

toyonakataro

eBay
I'm looking for a toned Peace$ for my type set, and there's a nicely toned one on eBay.
I'm not familiar with this series and don't know how to grade.....but do you think it's properly graded?(I grade it MS63)
And what do you think of that color? Original?

KlectorKid

Very nice coin original toning, yes and graded correctly. Perfect for you type set.

rkfish

Well.........I wasn't gonna show anyone this one!

but since you did I would say it's a lock 64 pushing 65 but who cares......almost impossible to find colors like this on a Peace dollar! I believe it got the benefit of the doubt for the color! An exceptional coin!

Outhaul

Nice looking $30.00 coin. With the hits on the obverse alone I'd knock it down to a 63, I think a 64 would be a stretch. Nice color (tough to tell true color with most scans). But is it worth that kind of premium?

Whatever floats yerboat!

Cheers,

Bob

Edited to agree that nice toning on Peace bucks is hard to come by.

toyonakataro

Thanks for quick replies...well, if you check his "other items", you will find another interesting Peace $.
His reserves on those coins are relatively low, but I'm afraid the bids will sky rocket...

rkfish

The 24 and 28-s are nice but you don't find the type toning the 23 has very often. All three are nice but I think the 23 will bring the most $$$.

Loki

I think this is an excellent coin! The way the toning wraps around the main portrait, highlighting Miss Liberty as the main focal point, is exquisite imo. It makes the coin appear to have much more depth, and truely brings out the best in the satiny mint luster radiating from her face. Peace Dollars exhibiting this kind of gorgeous original toning are quite rare. If I were bidding on it (and I would if it weren't so darn close to Christmas), it wouldn't phase me one bit if I won this with even triple the current bid! (which is $290 as I write this).

rainbowroosie

That coin will sell for stiff $$$$.

DHeath

The color is fabulous, and pretty uncommon. The coin is neither. It will command a premium, and if you are a color collector, you won't care. If instead, what you care about is strike, lack of bag marks, etc, then that one isn't for you. I think it is an MS63 that I'd pay MS65 money for. It is poorly struck, and the hair detail isn't full, it has numerous contact marks on the obverse and reverse, and they're in the focal area. On the other hand, toning like that is just not found very often in that series. If I sound conflicted, I am. I love it, hate it. love it.....I'll leave it at that.

stman

I like the 23 but the other ones don't appeal to my taste. My guess is the 23 will end at a very hefty premium. I'm sure the 23 is very pretty but I also feel they really have the lights hitting it, and might not be so bright in person.

Loki

I agree with DHeath. Paying high 3 figs wouldn't bother me one bit due to the exquisite toning, but paying any more than that would start to make the hits on this coin grow bigger and bigger every time I looked at it, and would eventually start to override the wonderful toning. Personally, I would stop my total bid amount at $999 which would include shipping lol.

MrD

FrattLaw

No, no, no that's one fugly coin. Why would anyone even think about bidding on that! Its horrible I tell you horrible. I know this seller, problems always problems, you'd be lucky to get your coin! And when it comes in and is an awful shade of gray, forget about returning it!

Stay away, danger Will Robinson, danger!



Michael

Strong Buyer of Toned Peace Dollars and will be nearly bankrupt after 11/24/02

MW Fattorosi Collection

MrKelso

MS 63 with out a doubt the rev has to many weak spots to go higher. Nice toning.

MrKelso

Hey folks while we are on the subject of strikes why do you suppose the peace dollar was such a weak strike?

Outhaul

Thank you MrKelso! A very nice looking Peace buck for sure, and they don't usually come nicely toned, but MS-65? PLEASE! With all the major and detracting hits on both obverse and reverse (especially the obverse) there is no way it should be in a 65 holder. Here's what I see:

OBV: Hits on nose, neck, scratch on cheek, 3 o'clock field hit below "Y", hits on rays

REV: Good hit below "U", several hits on rays, numerous hits on eagle, other assorted chatter

And that's just what you can make out in two blurry photos.

A base $30.00 coin with a modest premium for original toning. I can't wait to see what it ends up going for.

Cheers,

Bob

ArtR

Real nice looking tone. I'm surprised that his reserve was set this low if the colors on the coin are as vivid as his pictures show.

nwcs

I'll take 2.

coinguy1

Hi Taro,

IF the images are accurate, the color is GORGEOUS for a Peace dollar. And, while I can't grade accurately from images, from what I see, it looks ok as an MS65.

Now, for the price - what premium are you willing to pay for that color? At the current bid of $290, it's already almost 4 times the price of a generic MS65, but still roughly 25% less than a generic MS66 would cost. I'm not saying the price is too high, only that, now that you've found a beauty, you need to decide how much you're willing to pay for it.

Edited to say: some of you guys are being way too picky about the marks on this coin!

MacCoin

I know you tone lover pay more than book for your coins. to me I could get a nice high releif and a ms grade comman for that price.

some would call it a beautiful tone coin - I call it rim rot

coinguy1

MrKelso, you said "Hey folks while we are on the subject of strikes why do you suppose the peace dollar was such a weak strike?"

I did some quick checking to try to get an answer to your question. According to Walter Breen (who said in part): "Unfortunately, approval of the design must have come from the first proofs, not from the production coins. The latter (mostly struck under the reduced pressure to minimize unexpectedly rapid die breakage) were weak and vague in the centers. Morgan, whose own design had been superseded, lowered the relief on the electroplate model --by hammering it with a flat board! -- and made numerous niggling changes...." and then "Except for the matte proofs of 1922 Type of 1921, all subsequent Peace dollars are from the modified design; letters are often hard to read even on perfect mint-state survivors."

I think that explains it!

braddick

Mark, I thought common date Peace dollars were right around $550.00 now? Would that place the toned 65 right around a 50%+ price instead of 25%?

coinguy1

Braddick, CCDN bid is $362 for that date in NGC MS66. Based on that, I was figuring a generic 66 at roughly $390 wholesale. Hence my 25% comment.

MacCoin

my gray sheet is a little out dated but bid is 72 ask is 80

mr1931S

toyo...the colors are nice but not at all typical of Peace Dollar toning...original,rainbow toned Peace Dollars are...well...rare...but we've sure been seeing an inordinate number of them being offered lately...

my opinion is that the "application" of this coin's color looks invented...just my opinion...not the gospel...

i would have a bigger problem with the nicks being where they are...those nicks on Liberty's nose bother me... the strike is full...i give it MS64...those nicks can't be there for 65 as far as i'm concerned...

it must be rated 65 because of its toning...they use the same colors in the background for their auctions...

cool

ArtR

<< <i>toyo...the colors are nice but not at all typical of Peace Dollar toning...original,rainbow toned Peace Dollars are...well...rare...but we've sure been seeing an inordinate number of them being offered lately... >>


As with the Morgan series the coins with attractive toning are slowly coming out of some strong collector hands due to the prices they will now realize. If the picture on this coin has not been enhanched it is the most attractive rainbow toned Peace Dollar I have seen on ebay. or any other auction or show in the last few years.

Clankeye

<< <i>If the picture on this coin has not been enhanched >>



I purchased a toned coin from this seller and was satisfied the actual coin was represented fairly by the picture.

Merely an observation. I make no claims for the coin in this thread.

Carl

DMWJR

This coin just doesn't look right. First, it's a 63 tops. No way it goes 65 in my book. Second the toning just seems a little bit off . . . but I can't put my finger on it.

toyonakataro

Thanks for many precious comments on this coin.
I haven't decided my bid on this coin yet....I think I'll decide in last 10 seconds

Twowood

Sure looks like a 65 to me and the toning is beautiful, as a matter of fact, it looks a bit better than some of the 65 Peace $ in my small collection.. Twowood