Hi, im new here but i have something i want you to see.

MrLee

dreamn3d,
Where did you find this Kennedy?

stujoe

<< <i>It does not apear on the other side though >>



The seam will only appear on one side. They hollow out one coin leaving the reeded edge. They cut the other coin down so it will fitinside the hollowed out coin.

Gemini

forget the coin...I love the way you shot the photo of it inside that chimney flue...

KlectorKid

Dream give it up.... of course its not a die testing trial its a magicans coin worth a few bucks.

KlectorKid

<< <i> i could do the same little history, my father is about the best in the country when it comes to machining, he is a master pastic injection mold maker, he owns i shop too..he doesnt see it.... >>

Hes a plastic injection mold maker... why would he know about coins?

itsnotjustme

<< <i>it weighs the exact same wieght as a 1964 SILVER Kennedy, he swears that it is silver, i suppose there is a test he can do......................Would they bother cutting up a SIILVER coin like that? >>



A real SILVER 1964 Kennedy half dollar is worth, oh $2. By cutting up 2 of them, they have a $5 magicians coin and $1.50 in scrap silver. Or better yet, they pretend to have an authentic two tailed coin, and sell it to some uninformed person for $100.

crito

I can pull half a dozen coins with a partial "seam" from my pocket change right now. If the planchet doesn't seat properly before being struck, you'll get that, and usually a little machine doubling to go along with it. The lathed "magician" coins should have the seam going all the way around. There's still a 99.9% chance it's a fake, so that's always the safest guess. But if you REALLY think it's genuine, send it in for authentication.

crito

As a side note, similar to the way you get doubled dies with the new single squeeze process. If the die isn’t seated properly, it’ll shift slightly during hubbing, creating a doubled die. Characteristics are similar to machine doubling, which carries no premium, and since there’s a 99.9% chance that’s what most people have, safest guess is to just tell everyone “doubled dies are impossible today”.

homerunhall

In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of thousands of "two-headed" and "two-tailed" coins were sold by numerous firms thru ads in national publications. The coins were manufactured by splitting two coins in half and putting the "heads" and "tails" together.

You could send the coin to PCGS (or NGC or ANACS, they are all good at authenticating), but I assure you that you would be wasting your money.

David

dreamn3d

He knows nothing about coins as i dont either. I made the reference because in his business he has too hold a .0001 +- .0002 tolerance . So i would think he would be able to see the difference between a step and a seam. Thats all, if it were as obvious as you guys think i would not waiste your time or mine. Before i send it to the PCSG i will take it again to be x rayed, if it doesnt show the seam i will post the pic, if it does show it..........Thank you all for the education and stirring up my interest in this hobby.

My grandfather passed away a couple of years ago and left me his coin collection, i think i will dig them out and see what i have

Petescorner

dreamn3d, these manufactured coins weren't made to fool collectors. They were made to fool a magician's audience.

I have a suggestion that can save you time and money. Before you send it in to a grading service, why don't you stop by a local coin shop in your area? Any coin dealer will be able to point out where the seam is, and be able to show you an un-doctored coin side by side. This won't cost you anything but a few minutes of your time. Who knows, you may even see something in his shop that you end up buying.

coindaughter

Thanks to dreamn3d and everyone for a very educational thread!

And, wow! So calm in here! I LIKE IT!

--CD

dreamn3d

I was going to do that today, figured to get it out of the way, i have 3 other 1964 Kennedy half dollers that were in the same case this one came from, thats where i got all the dimensions to measure...they are the exact same except one has an eagle on both sides



Edited..,,,can't spell these days

stujoe

Another thing...if it is a silver coin, it should 'ring' in a certain way if you balance it on the tip of your finger and tap it lightly on the edge with a pencil. It is a very distinctive sound and pleasant too.

More than likely a magician's coin will go 'thunk' instead of sing to you with a longer, pleasant, ringing sound.

BTW: The owner of PCGS (homerunhall) just put his opinion in on whether it is real or not. You would be best to take it to a local dealer before wasting the certification fees but you gotta do what you gotta to do.

coindaughter

<< <i>The owner of PCGS (homerunhall) just put his opinion in on whether it is real or not. >>



Actually, not "owner" but president, I believe.

stujoe

<< <i> Actually, not "owner" but president, I believe. >>



I believe you are correct. Didn't he used to be the owner? and founder? I am not up on my PCGS history.

Russ

You know, if he sends it in and it turns out to be real, we're all going to be feeling a little stupid.

Russ, NCNE

barrytrot

stujoe (or other guru),

Is making a 2-headed coin legal?

stujoe

Oh Lord, please don't put me in the 'guru' category! There are plenty here but I am not one of them!

I believe defacing or altering US currency is only illegal if it is done with fraudulent intent. Same reason why elongates are legal and love tokens and a number of other things.

barrytrot

stujoe,

If you don't want to be thought of as a guru you'd better stop giving excellent answers to my questions

leothelyon

I have the solution! Flip the coin if it comes up heads then it's real.

Leo

prooflike

One other point is that it is aligned in 'medal' rather than the typical US coin orientation so I think a European guy made it, and from the quality of work, I can guarantee his name was Sven and he was born in Oslo.

dreamn3d

ummmmm what does that mean aligned in "MEDAL"????

MrLee

US Coins have their reverse (back) upside down when compared to the obverse (front). Medallions, or medals have them both the same way. See how your's is? One side should be reversed from the other. BTW. Where did you get it?

Russ

dreamn3d,

I believe he's referring to the fact that both sides are oriented the same direction. On US coinage, they'd be 180 degrees opposite.

EDIT: MrLee beat me to the punch!

Russ, NCNE

coppercoins

Coin turn - flip it over end to end (top to bottom) to see the designs on each side properly.

Medal turn - flip the coin side to side (right to left) to see the designs on each side properly.


Imagine a pendant with two sides hanging from your neck...turn it around (medal turn) to see the other side.

A US coin (coin turn) would look correct on the front, but when you turn it around to look at the back, it would be up-side-down.

stujoe

Take a normal coin out of your pocket change and hold it with the 'heads' side (obverse) facing you right side up. Turn the coin to the other side by turning it left. The reverse will be upside down when it is facing you. That is 'Coin Alignment' and the way all US coins are. If you do the same thing and the 'tails' side (reverse) is still right side up, that is 'medal alighment'.

dreamn3d

The coin was found in a safe along with 3 other Kennedy's and some other coins after my grandfather passed away just recently, when i was kid i collected "cool" looking coins so after both my grandfathers passed away they both left me thier small collections. I assume its because they remember me digging thru they're stuff when i was a youngster.

By the way Stujoe.......it has a soft tone to it.......no thunk