Hi, im new here but i have something i want you to see.

dreamn3d

please click the links below and tell me if u have ever seen this? I am not a collector of coins, it weighs exactly what it should and i have heard of split coins but put under a microscope there is NO split in this coin the center has not been cut out, it was x-rayed by a friend at aircraft xray, experts in fine element and non destructive testing. It weighs exactly what a 1964 Kennedy half doller should weigh, the diameter is exactly what it should be, the only difference is .003 thickness skinnier.

Any info would be greatly appreciated


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Russ

It's bogus. The seam is even visible.

Russ, NCNE

tjkillian

Welcome! If you look real close at the RIM, not the edge, you will see where the two coins were joined. Remember that with machinist's tools, you can get a very close tolerance. Still a cool piece.

Tom

dreamn3d

Hi, thanks for the reply but i have the coin here, i sharpened the image in Photoshop, that line does not exist, i should put up the raw image so u can see, im not looking to sell it just seeing if anyone hase ever heard of this happening,"other than a hoax" its real i assure you, as near as i can tell

Russ

dreamn3d,

Sorry, but it's not real. Although, as Tom said, it is pretty cool.

Russ, NCNE

itsnotjustme

Very few actual double headed or tailed coins are real (less than 5 verified) out of tens of thousands of magicians coins. Chances are you coin is fake. If you feel it's real, spend $50 to get it certified by PCGS. If it comes back real, it will be worth thousands.

andy007

Pic 3 shows the seam at the top of the coin very well. Sorry, looks like its a fake as others have said.

itsnotjustme

p.s. Welcome to the boards. Your doing well to have already figured out to attach photos and edit your posts!

Russ

Here's the shot that cinches it:



Oh yeah, and welcome aboard!

Russ, NCNE

stujoe

Yep, send it in and get it authenticated if you are that positive. The submitting fee will be a drop in the bicket compared to what it will be worth if authenticated by the experts. Just don't say you weren't forewarned what it was before you sent it in.


If you want to buy a bunch of them identical to the magician's coin you have, you can go here:

Linky (not my site)

TRADERBOBZ

welcome i concur with brian

dreamn3d

This is the RAW image


PIC4

andy007

Russ, don't you have to ask if dreamn3d has any proof JFK's? Geez, your slipping.

Guess that's one more reason to get that post count one more towards immortality status right?

Edited to add:

itsnotjustme

Hey, we can see your shirt!

Russ

stujoe,

Cool, thanks for that link! My two-headed JFK should be on the way monday.

Russ, NCNE

dreamn3d

hehe well i totally respect your opnions like i said i am no expert but like i said i dont see that RIM as i hold it here with a magnifying glass, i will check into the PCGS, if someone fabricated this they are a master with EXTREMLY close tolerance work, with my few skills, i cant see where this was anything but double stamped.

Thank you for the insight and the welcomes!!!!

Petescorner

The image Russ has posted is a dead on give away to a coin that has been hollowed on one side and another with the rim cut off inserted into it. But, if you're not familiar with these things then it porbably doesn't jump out at you like it does the rest of us.

Russ, can you post a shot of a legitimate reverse next to that one so the double line can easily be seen as the difference?

(I know it's extra work, but you're darn good at it! )

nwcs

Well, I looked at the raw image and image 3 and I have to say...

it is clearly a fake. But a very well done one! The thing is, if it was real, the strike would look very different because the space between the widest points of the die would be different. It would create a different look for the eagle. There are no traces of that different strike here. But you can always sent it into the ANA's certification service and if they find it authentic it's worth lotsomoney.

Petescorner

Hey Russ, I have two of these coins. One that's both heads, and another that's both tails. If you didn't order yours yet, let me know.

stujoe

Dreamn3D...it has nothing to do with the fabricator's ability to do close work. These are made on machine lathes to tighter tolerances than a human could do. They are mass produced. See the link I posted.


Russ...Maybe you can get Bert to shrink it after it arrives. Might blow apart though!

lathmach

Dremn3rd:
I own a machine shop. Let me know how many of these you want, and I'll quote you a price.
Russ has made it pretty clear where the seam is on this novelty piece. Do you really not see it?

Ray

Outhaul

Hey Stujoe...great hangman game

Russ

Dan,

Already ordered it. Here's a quick shot of a real one. I even sharpened it just as he did with his.




Russ, NCNE

Petescorner

Nice work, Russ!

dreamn3d

lathman........ i could do the same little history, my father is about the best in the country when it comes to machining, he is a master pastic injection mold maker, he owns i shop too..he doesnt see it....hence where i had it xrayed at, i wish i was a better photographer to show u that lines is not there, i have decided i will send it to PCGS.

I deffinatly love how active you guys are in this, not to mention the activity on this forum, unbelievable at the responses!!!

If i get a better shot and it turns out to be the real thing i will deffinatly update you guys!!!

Petescorner

dreamn3d, look at the two images Russ posted above. You can see a double line in between the word "states" and the rim on your coin and not on the legitimate one. That is where the give away is. You would be wasting your money sending it in for grading. But, it's your coin and we all wish you luck!

edited to add: the double line will only be on one side of your coin, the other side will look legitimate.

dreamn3d

oh and about my skills as a newbie, im a newbie to this board but i have an MCSE, and specialize in New Development and web hosting..... in other words play with this stuff for a living

Russ

dreamn3d,

Even if the line isn't there, notice how the rim is thicker on yours than it is on mine?

Russ, NCNE

dreamn3d

does the original not have the ridges around it?

ClarkOfKent

I think I see the seam.... but, I'm not sure.... is it on the reverse or the reverse?

Welcome to the forum, dreamn3d.



Edit: can't spell tonight

ldhair

Good luck Dreamn. Hope you join the coin hobby. Great fun.

MrKelso

<< <i>Dan,

Already ordered it. Here's a quick shot of a real one. I even sharpened it just as he did with his.




Russ, NCNE >>



I see the seem

So lets say for the sake of argument this thing turns out to be a real macoy (just for the sake of argument) what kind of a value would something like that command?

KlectorKid

Plz, dont blow 50 bucks can u see the rim? P.S. I like your icon

Russ

<< <i>does the original not have the ridges around it? >>



Yes, it does. The coin is shot at an angle that blocks the view.

Russ, NCNE

stujoe

Outhaul: Thanks!

Russ: Great comparison shots. It really tells the tale, so to speak.

Loki

See the seam now? Do yourself a favor, save your money and take the advice of the responding members of your thread. A bunch of these guys (myself NOT included) have extensive numismatic knowledge and experience. BTW, with the money you save, you can buy a neat half dime or something. Welcome aboard!

KlectorKid

WoW nice job Loki!

MrKelso

<< <i>oh and about my skills as a newbie, im a newbie to this board but i have an MCSE, and specialize in New Development and web hosting..... in other words play with this stuff for a living >>




Welcome to the boards Kick back and have fun, You will learn alot as a lurker MCSE, Master Ase, Cisco,A+, HP Star Oh and Part time Coin Collector

jakemrjr

I would just like to weigh in on this also, I could notice the unusual seam within a second of looking at the pics. And so far no one believes this is a real specimen. These people know their coins!

fcloud

Welcome to the boards, Dreamn3d. Listen to these numismatists they really know their stuff. The seam is hidden in the location shown by Loki. This is done to make it very diffecult to see. Please save the $50 and get some cool coin.

sinin1

After seeing the coin and hearing the 'machinists' say how easy it was, I had to run and look at my 1900-O Barber dime to look for funny rim - thank goodness, both sides of the rim are the same.

So how small a coin can this be done on, and is there a better way of concealing the seam?

Anybody got any guess on how many rare date Morgan dollars are actually 2 common date Morgan dollars ->1884 obverse + 1880-S reverse becoming one mighty fine 1884-S dollar (uncertified of course - well maybe ACG)

Petescorner

sinin1, I'm guessing there aren't too many Morgans that this is tried on, because you would be ruining 2 fairly valuable coins to make 1 fake one that wouldn't fool the kind of person who would be paying top $ for that frankenstein mule. With Kennedys and other moderns, you're only tampering with face value.

Btw, am I to understand that correctly that you have a 2 sided barber dime that is legit? If so, holy smokes!

edited to add: I guess you meant the date and mint mark are on different sides. (it's not my series)

leothelyon

Hey, we can see your shirt!

Guess who time?

Leo

sinin1

My dime has 1900 on the obverse and O on the reverse.

Two valuable coins at risk? - I was thinking 2 MS63's worth $30-40 each and turn into a coin worth $15,000-$20,000 if it was real.

This thread has been about a two-tailed, but I was thinking like instead of altering the mintmark, alter the entire reverse - or make 1959 wheatbacks - or a 1977 bicentennial reverse Kennedys - or 1909-S VDB's.

relayer

It's a magicians coin - worth about $4.95

Loki

<< <i>WoW nice job Loki! >>

Hehe thanks but Russ really nailed it right away! I didn't see it myself until he sharpened up the pic a little. I just blew up his pic and pointed to it is all. Russ really knows his Kennedies, that's for sure!

Petescorner

Two valuable coins at risk? - I was thinking 2 MS63's worth $30-40 each and turn into a coin worth $15,000-$20,000 if it was real.


That's what I meant. Anyone who is going to spend $15k on a coin isn't going to be fooled by one of these machine shop jobs for a second. Even without a loupe you can spot them from 2 feet away, so why throw away $60-$80?

With the coin dreamn3d has, the manufacturer has only $1 invested in "materials."

mr1931S

>>>After seeing the coin and hearing the 'machinists' say how easy it was, I had to run and look at my 1900-O Barber dime to look for funny rim - thank goodness, both sides of the rim are the same.

1900-O...

bought one of these out of a dealer's box at a show...extra-fine condition...fully struck,extra-fine...$40...a good find,right?

well,the darn edge had been very carefully flattened all around so to make the coin very slightly undersize...was probably done long ago to fit inside a pendant bezel...

i didn't discover this until months later...

twodollardon

I can assure you that being in the CNC Machine Shop business. I can Mill out one side of the coin, leaving the reeded edege of the first coin intact. Machine the second coin taking the center out of it and milling the thickness required. This is all possible within .0002 tenth of thousand of and inch ( equal to 1/20th the thickness of a human hair which is .002 thick)..

Good luck, and welcome to the board!!!

Don

nwcs

It's always nice to see other developers out there. Right now I'm a .NET C# enterprise software developer working on several web sites. Coins and computers *do* mix until you need to buy a new computer... Then it's a "1799 bust dollar or new Itanium processor" debate in your heart for several months.

dreamn3d

Hi again....wow lots of posts and it seems to be the general opinion that this is a fake. Well Russ i took your advice after seeing the blown up picture of a ridge i took it over to pops house for a closer look. Your right there is a line there..........BUT.............hehe should have known by now that was comming. I took a look at it with my pops jewlers glass its extremly strong, so strong i realised that i dont clean under my finger nails as well as i thought i did. Anyways that line is a step that starts at about the "A" in states and ends at about the "M" in america.

It does not apear on the other side though, so entertain this question..........


Is it possible that this coin was part of a setup process testing the die's?

I have not had real test's done but i have a friend thats a jewler and it weighs the exact same wieght as a 1964 SILVER Kennedy, he swears that it is silver, i suppose there is a test he can do......................Would they bother cutting up a SIILVER coin like that?