Russ, Dog97, Clankeye, oldcameoproofsguy, IrishMike, Android, Bear, etc.,
dragon
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If you all remember, from the very first time this 'CoinDr' guy ever posted, I called him a nitwit and a fraud. I'm only pointing this out because as I have said in the past, 99.5% of all these so-called talented coin docs are a total fraud, complete liars, and cannot even remotely do what they would have you believe. Also, the perceived problem that nearly all incredibly toned coins are fake and that coin docs can now fool PCGS/NGC at will is complete nonsense.
Remember when CoinDr was bragging about having a 50K day or something at a big show a while back.....and now he's pushing $2.00 coins on Ebay????
Remember when CoinDr was bragging about having a 50K day or something at a big show a while back.....and now he's pushing $2.00 coins on Ebay????
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<< <i>I called him a nitwit and a fraud. >>
I condensed in to "troll". I know nothing of toning, but I've been around BBS's long enough to know a troll when I see one.
Russ, NCNE
breathin all that flame hurts the old nostrils and throat. Or it could be someone
stepped on your tail.
Camelot
I haven't said word one about the guy this weekend. I think I know what he's about. I will give him this... for being an agitator he has at least inspired some interesting discourse around here. As inadvertent as that may have been on his part. This weekend has actually been pretty good around here if you ask me. Could have been much, much worse.
Agreed! After seeing those auctions, and the bellicose statements made by the dear Doctor, I'm wondering if he is actually just a kid with an over blown sense of self importance.
Andy
First POTD 9/19/05!!
Along comes CoinDr, a self-proclaimed expert in the field of coin curration claiming that he is at the pinnacle of his art transforming worthless crap into highly desirable, toned masterpieces worth many times market value and claiming that the rest of us are obtuse, dolts who will never be able to grasp such intricate workings.
Then, Dog posts CoinDr's auctions. As I open each of the listings I see coins that aren't worth a pile of dog feces (no insult intended Dog). I think the blow torch guy comes up with better coins than this idiot.
I usually do not pay much attention to the trolls on these forums. Most of them are pretty harmless, but in this case this guy is not. Honestly, I think the guy has a Napoleonic complex and tries really hard to make up for one real short coming, if you know what I mean.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1394683584
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1394595512
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The e-mail address used on eBay is the same one he used in his signature on posts on this site. CoinDr@hotmail.com is the e-mail in his signature line. If you do a search on eBay under Sellers and use this e-mail address, it comes up with coindr's page. While eBay hides e-mail addresses unless you're involved in a transaction, this is a little round-about way of testing a hypothesis.
Also, it is clear from the auctions that he is a reader of the forums. He has bid on one item under this ID:
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This auction was brought up in this thread:
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Also, the comment made when Dog's bid was cancelled seems to allude to your ACG Liberty Nickel auction:
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WH
the most disgusting dude of them all, i think, is the one who runs around bourse floors bellowing out "i'm the COPPER doctor!". you'll know him when you smell him, OOOPS, i mean see him.
K S
I hate it when you see my post before I can edit the spelling.
Always looking for nice type coins
my local dealer
I'm curious. How do you reconcile this thread with this statement?
<< <i>I'm still not really sure exactly what happened, however my opinion of braddick hasn't changed and I think he's a good guy and an asset to these forums. >>
That you made in this thread.
Since it turns out this troll was actually Braddick, is he no longer "a nitwit and a fraud"?
Russ, NCNE
To this day, I'm still not exactly sure what really happened or who is who, since I don't pay close attention to the soap opera type subjects. I still however think that braddick is a good guy and an asset to these forums regardless of whatever went on, JMO.
Dragon
..........all righty then!!!!!
perhaps you should do further reading, further archive study and also a little bit of reading in the dictionary under the word hypocrite. and also you might want to do a search under the member name of GOLDDIGGER and see what you come up with, unless it's easier to just look around the room!!!!!!
the cronyism and good old buddy-itis that runs around in here is really sickening sometimes. you clown will climb all over a stranger for something but when an offender is a member you MIGHT have to have dealings with you shrink away under a rock with your tail between your legs.
dragon, you are a coward!!!
al h.
If you think I'm a coward because I said I like braddick and that I'm still not sure what really happened, then you are even a bigger fool and crybaby than I originally thought. Regarding your asinine cronyism and buddy-itis comments, I have never met or even spoken with braddick and don't know him in any other way other than his posts here over the past 18 months or so.
Regarding your additional golddgger nonsense, if you still don't believe that golddigger is in fact my girlfriend Karla and that she posts only under her own name, as do I, why don't you email her at ebbie863@aol.com or call her at work at 630-587-6251 ext. 301 and ask her for yourself.
Perhaps you should spend more time reading here and learning about numismatics rather than your usual non-coin related opinions, false accusations, and other off subject nonsense.
Dragon
i have spent countless hours trying to enhance my numismatic knowledge, you nut. do a search of last nights threads. where i'm at here is trying to get all you dealer and quasi-dealer types to quit your pompous "i know a suspected doctor" replies and have you step up and do something about it. name some names and cut with all the self-serving BS. there are right now about 6-10 regular posters who have hinted that they know/have known coin doctors but all sherk responsibility while they bemoan the consequences of their action. you yourself hint at being such a good detector of the fraud-----teach us instead of waving your sanctimonious flag.
go try to PM braddick-----oh, yeah. he closed that function. darn. and he didn't even answer my PM sent about 2 hours prior. no guts i guess. or maybe he needs to think over the answers to the questions i asked him.
i never was crybaby, dragon. i just have a little too much integrity than to post openly on the forum your PM's regarding the little dispute we had. and i tried to keep things anonymous to be helpful and informative to the forum-------that learning thing you referred to. but, as happens here, the personalities will overpower the principle of the issue. watch and bookmark my words here. braddick will come back, you'll all line up for smooching session, and there will be regular threads started about the consequences of AT.
like i asked truthteller. like i asked legend. i'll ask you. instead of alluding to knowledge about AT and it's perpetrators, step forward and name names. or just keep your pompous "i know........" comments about it to yourself. they are totally self-serving.
the reason i'm being so blunt here is cause i just don't like you howard.
al h.
See....that's exactly what I mean, you just don't or can't read. Why don't you search back for the various threads I have initiated in the past in an attempt to share my knowledge with others here. Did you see the thread I just started today on puttying coins?? Did you read my old long winded thread on "various methods for detecting AT coins", or on PL and DMPL dollars, or on the Continental Bank Hoard or numerous other subjects??
As far as truthteller or Legend or anyone else naming names regarding known coin doctors, that is their business and their decision whether or not to disclose names...not mine. I am not personally aware of any professional coin doctors out there, nor do I know any personally or have done business with them or have seen their handywork firsthand, nor would it be mine or anyone elses responsibility to disclose their names to you or the forum, or anyone else had I such knowledge of these people.
I have gone waaaaay above the call of duty on these forums IMO to try and share my knowledge and experiences with others,,,as well as haven given away many, many coins, pop. reports, sample slabs, greysheets, and other items to various members here via contests and giveaways expecting and receiving nothing in return. If you classify these things as "self serving", then you really HAVE missed the boat.
Also, whether or not braddick (or anyone else) returns or not is of no consequence to me whatsoever, nor do I know him in any other way other than his numerous posts here as I stated.
Dragon
al h.
I am not personally aware of any professional coin doctors out there, nor do I know any personally or have done business with them or have seen their handywork firsthand,
dragon
how can you make two such seemingly opposing statements within the same thread?? you state in the thread opener that these people are frauds, and based on the statement in your last reply, that statement has no basis in personal knowledge. that tells me something very clearly. the first is a pompous "I told you so" statement and the second is self-serving damage control, kinda like a disclaimer.
it just keeps getting better with you. why don't you wade in a little deeper, i promise the water gets warmer.
al h.
KNOCK IT OFF WITH THE INFLAMMATORY NAME CALLING!!! NOW!!
........and dragon would be on your buddy list, right??? whatever. you have now become a part of the problem.
al h.
As usual, it is the individuals with extremely limited or zero numismatic knowledge, and/or nothing intelligent or beneficial to add to these forums regarding coins, are usually the ones with the loudest voices, the most opinions, are right in the middle of every controversial thread with numerous posts, and attack and insult anyone and everyone they see fit without basis, etc. Its just the nature of the beast.
Dragon
BTW - I'd venture to say half this forum is Democratic. Other than offending others, what possible purpose would there be for jmwarren's tag line? I think it says volumes about him.
Camelot
apologies and last post edited to include emticon.
herr dragon
go back and read some of your replies while i close the shutters on my house!! oh yeah, care to take a stab at my post referencing your two quotes which i highlighted in bold type?
al h.
I'll try and explain this so even you can understand. I still believe that 99.5% of people that represent themselves as talented coin docs and boast of their accomplishments are liars and frauds, just as I stated. I also don't believe that even the good ones (whoever they are) can do what they claim they can.
I also do not personally know any of the so-called 'upper crust' coins docs out there, or do business with them knowingly, or have seen them do thier handywork firsthand and up close. I have however seen many altered coins and AT coins at large shows that were supposedly done by 'experts' and none of them were overly impressive IMO and they were NOT in PCGS or NGC holders, which is why I made the first statement.
Now please find someone else here on the forums to continue on with your immature witch hunts and investigative reporting.
Dragon
so in other words, with regards to AT you have no knowledge on the topic whatsoever. that puts you right here in the boat with the majority of us. and it cuts right to the heart of the problem, or at least a part of the problem. misinformation. the old tried and true trap that we all fall into sometimes, commenting to something we have no knowledge of.
probably, there have been coins you have viewed which were AT and you had no way of knowing it. and probably some of those coins you saw that were described to you as AT weren't. and again, you had no way of knowing it........other than perhaps someone elses opinion. yet it's offered as gospel truth.
posters here probably never consider the disservice they do all of us when they speak from the position of knowledgeable insight when in actuallity they have none. i believe that's called pretense.
if you think this is a witch hunt, you're wrong. as a friend likes to say, the truth shall set you free, but first it might hurt like h*ll!! with all the BS going on around here lately, maybe someone needs to ask hard questions when something doesn't smell right. puffers and posers don't help us learn here. remember, that's there at the heart of it all. learning about the hobby.
my inclination is to ask those that profess to know "coin doctors" to please do the right thing and tell who they are. if they are doing nothing which is technically illegal, why is everyone afraid of them? and if the truth is what's being told, how can harm come your way as a result? please, no comments to my naivette. and if you are speaking from a position of ignorance on the topic, please stop because hearsay is very close in spelling to heresy, and i'd hate to be accused of hunting witches!!!
al h.
We are all still in recovery mode from the prior flame war. Thank you.
Camelot
I do have the ability to detect the vast majority of the altered and AT garbage out there that I see, it's called knowledge and experience, something that you obviously lack, and I paid my dues via many mistakes a long time ago as most people have, and I am happy to share my knowledge or experiences with others here when I can about the subject. Just because you have no clue what you're looking at and want everyone to tell you who all the coin docs are out there (and get all pissy when they won't) doesn't mean that everyone else is in the same boat you are.
Do your own homework and try and learn something on your own out there through research and looking at coins, and quit all of your pointless false accusations and other off topic immature nonsense, it serves no purpose to the forum and makes you look like a fool.
Dragon
Shortdj,
I also find the signature/tag line offensive and disgraceful. I'm an Independent, but that doesn't matter, it has absolutely nothing to do with political party membership. As my grandmother used to tell me about bullies and name-callers:
"Don't let it bother you, what they say is just a reflection of what they are."
Its unfortunate that the younger forum members are exposed to such people.
of the most inflammatory nature . Being Gross and offensive seems to be his main joy in life.
With this person there can be no reasoning or factual argument.The only thing that seems to
chase him away is to sprinkle him with holy water or hot borscht, take your choice. Bear
Camelot
what are you getting all worked up about and continuing on this rant of your's that has me pegged as ignorant?? you get stuck on these pretentious pleadings of things where you are uninformed. sad indeed. and please don't credit me with having some power of persuasion which induces you to reply to me. that is of your own will, pal. most likely a defensive reaction, but we've been through that previously, haven't we?
you sure do like to change gears. one post talks of your attempt to educate and then the next advises to "learn for yourself." very confusing. as for my posting being pointless, well that just isn't true. i've managed to goad you into sticking your foot in your mouth at least two or three times in the last several hours. no doubt we're right on the verge of another one!!!
i'd really enjoy playing tit-for-tat with you about coins, but we collect in different areas of the hobby. to that end, i'm trying to learn some things about certain areas. i doubt you'll take my word for that and i won't ask others to enjoin us here in my defense. hopefully you're doing likewise. for now, let's just say i know more than you're willing to accept and that you know less than you contend. ah, compromise!!!
al h.
Amen.