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Beautiful 1799 draped bust dollar!

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No offense, but it's been dipped, and there does not seem to be much if any luster left. Yes, it's well struck and it's got a lot of "meat," but I've handled or have got in my collection a couple of EF-45s that have not been cleaned and look far more natural.

    If you go back 5 or 6 years ago before a lot of these things were slabbed, coins like this were around for a few to several thousand dollars and usually went begging at the shows.
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Doesn't matter to me, I ain't got one and would love to have one image
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Nice coin image

    I wonder why it's only a 62? I cant see hardly and marks at all in the picture.
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772
    I like the background for the photo, too. Anaconda is a crafty one.
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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Knock it if you like, but I haven't got one. At the level I collect I'll probably never own one. I'd love to own it! So, it's been dipped, big whoop. It's been dipped like ALL the others (circ or UNC) have been dipped or cleaned at one point in their lifetime.

    I'll take it ANY day. image

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, Bust Dollar prices have gotten out of hand. And the problem is a lot of the "problem" coins, whether marked as such or not, bring big bucks too. If you are looking for Draped Bust, large eagle type coins, the Bust Dollars are relatively common. Only the half dollar type (the 1806 or '07) is easier to find as a type coins. The half dimes, dimes and quarters are harder, in that order.

    I've attached an picture of a sharply struck 1803 half half. That little rascal is lot harder to find than the Bust Dollar, but since it's small many collectors don't appreciate it. BTW I chased a collector for 10 years before I was able to acquire this coin.

    I know how much collectors want this early material, however. I was the same way. I've just been spoiled because I have chased it for 30 years and have been lucky enough to find quite a few coins that have satisfied my sweet tooth. Early coins are my speciality area as a collector. I wish they could be as a dealer, but it takes too much capital.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Folks,

    I don't think BillJones was knocking the coin just because he's trying to be a smart-azz or whatever...

    I think his intent was sincere in that he was trying to point out the positive as well as the negative aspects of a coin so you guys can properly ascertain its value.

    Certainly, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. But, in this case, in technical terms, the coin does have its problems and is merely a product coin for its grade.

    Regards,

    EVP

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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    That is one great half dime and a great color on it. I want one like it, too! image
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Placid-

    It's graded MS-62 because of the dipping and the resulting lack of luster. I would have loved to have seen this coin before it was dipped. Given the strike and the quality of the planchet, it might have been a stunner.

    But a lot of Bust dollars were dipped in the 1960s and '70s when white coins ruled in this area. It took me a while to find a couple of nutural examples.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is one great half dime and a great color on it. I want one like it, too!

    Let me point out something negative about the half dime too:

    It's not mine!

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    EVP

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi NWCS!

    To be candid with you, the color on that half dime is a little deceiving. About 15 to 20 years ago that piece was also bright white from dipping. Since then I’ve using my special storage methods to tone it down a bit. It takes 5 years or more, but after a while a coin can be called “original now” so long as the surfaces have not been polished or badly hairlined.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • My 1799 grades fine and is holed. Only way I could afford one.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let's remember it is a MS62. Show me a super great MS62 anything!.

    These Bust dollars have been so offensively played with and dicked around it is a pleasure to see a holdered MS one.
    A MS64, by the way, is a $60,000.00++ coin.

    peacockcoins

  • Please include me among the list of admirers. That is a gorgeous coin. The quality of those pictures is not so great. I don't believe you can adequately assess the attributes of that coin without getting up close and personal with that little beauty!!

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