and lets not forget all those games shaq shot 2-15 from the foul line and kobe saved his behind by scoring 10 in a 4th qtr including a gw shot..and trust me if you've watched as many games as i over the years it's happened quite often..but you'd have to actually watch the games and not read the boxscore in the paper the next day to know that happened .. now go italics this
kobe-3 rings, all nba defensive team, recognized by nba players, coaches and commentators as one of the 5 best players in the leauge. Yep, definately overrated
<< <i>Nobody sads kobe doesnt benefit from shaq, have you read any of the post on here? you still havent given any kind of proof that kobe is overrated. Kobe has a very good shooting percentage for his career. You obviously dont watch many laker games if you think it takes kobe tons of shots to get 40, and dont start with this I dont care about basketball cause that is bs. You obviously care enough to make a stupid post and then follow up over and over. People like you are funny, you try to act like you dont care or your not biased when it clear you do care and are very upset about the lakers and kobe's success. >>
Kobe is only good when Shaq is around because Shaq creates open lanes for Kobe to drive to and dunk and draw double and triple teams which gives Kobe and the rest of the time room to shoot. What Center in the NBA can guard Shaq 1 on 1? And as soon as Shaq gets the ball, he immediately have 2 people on him. So, there is always someone open. Now that those lanes are not openned up and no double and triple teams on their replacement center, Kobe don't have the looks and open lanes that he use to have and having a very hard time. Now, watch when Shaq returns, Kobe will start playing better and all of the Kobe fans will say, Kobe has just stepped up his game, when in reality, SHAQ is creating those open looks and lanes for Kobe. Kobe is OVERRATED.
<< <i>haha the spurs and blazers can beat the lakers with shaq. kobe had a off game and still had mvp numbers- 27 points 10 boards 5 assists 4 steals will get anyone a mvp period. Tim duncan 3-14 parker 0-10, fisher 1-9, george 2-8 3 turnovers, horry 3-10. I mean it was just a bad game for all.I don't know how you judge a player off 1 game. The spurs were in full affect and the lakers were missing two starters. The lakers should lose tonight aswell, because the blazers are just a flat out good "team". All the lakers have right now is kobe and kobe can't score 80+ points alone. If he gets no help then no win period. >>
Hehe well, the Clippers and Nuggets beat the Lakers without Shaq. I rather loose to 2 playoff teams than lose to the worse 2 teams in the NBA.
<< <i>yes you still haven't proved how kobe is overrated.
27 points 10 boards, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks on a bad night. Can you imagine how silent you will be when he has a good game????? >>
That looks nice until the 9 for 29 shooting pops up and 6 turnovers. But what do you expect for Kobe fans. They are like politicians. Only pick the good out of the pile and then look for a bulldozer to hide the dirt.
do you guys remember the 1st finals against Indiana when shaq fouled out late in the game and kobe took over the game with shaq OUT of the game..remember how big shot after big shot dropped and kobe made sure that himself, shaq and the rest of the lakers would not lose that very important finals gm..do you also remember after that game WHO walked up to WHO to give someone a hug and thank him for taking care of business..it's not always shaq's shoulders that carry the team to a victory
Auto, you know I don't like Kobe, but in fairness here I could say Duncan is clearly better than Shaq because Shaq never won anything until he was paired with Kobe.
of course he doesnt remember, he convieniently forgets things like that. He also forgets how shaq was very banged up during the playoffs and kobe had to pick up the slack. He forgets that kobe took the lakers into san antonio last year and beat the spurs in a game everyone thought they would lose. He forgets that in the western conference finals the lakers lost games 3 and 4 when kobe was ill.
<< <i>Auto, you know I don't like Kobe, but in fairness here I could say Duncan is clearly better than Shaq because Shaq never won anything until he was paired with Kobe. >>
Heh, Duncan rarely draw any double teams (mainly only when he beats his man and someone comes to help out). SHAQ is the BEST center in the NBA hands down.
What I'm saying is, there's no more validity to the "Kobe is nothing without Shaq" argument than there is to the "Shaq is nothing without Kobe" argument. Both are great players, and neither won squat without the other.
Also, Duncan won a title with an over the hill David Robinson and Avery Johnson as his best supporting cast Just saying.
<< <i>do you guys remember the 1st finals against Indiana when shaq fouled out late in the game and kobe took over the game with shaq OUT of the game..remember how big shot after big shot dropped and kobe made sure that himself, shaq and the rest of the lakers would not lose that very important finals gm..do you also remember after that game WHO walked up to WHO to give someone a hug and thank him for taking care of business..it's not always shaq's shoulders that carry the team to a victory >>
Umm, fouled out as in played majority of the game? Shaq was still there. Next argurment please.
<< <i>hahahaha auto just said duncan doesn't draw double teams like shaq?????????????
that right there just shows how idiotic this guy is.
the lakers did nothing but double team duncan is the playoffs. >>
Hard to draw double teams when you are moving. Duncan doesn't stay still like Shaq when trying to get the ball. Duncan is more mobile. Anyways.. Kobe is overrated and it is showing without Shaq around to wipe his tail.
DO YOU EVER WATCH BASKETBALL? You say shaq doesnt move. He is always moving around in the lane to get position. If he didnt move he would draw a 3 second violation every time.
if you put kobe ranked in order with iverson carter mcgrady and pierce where would you put him? honestly those guys are right shaq didnt win anything without kobe and kobe hasnt truely been on his own with a different team. Shaq is the best center in the nba and kobe is the best sg. im not even a real big fan of the nba and i can see that.
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<< <i>if you put kobe ranked in order with iverson carter mcgrady and pierce where would you put him? honestly those guys are right shaq didnt win anything without kobe and kobe hasnt truely been on his own with a different team. Shaq is the best center in the nba and kobe is the best sg. im not even a real big fan of the nba and i can see that. >>
Honestly, I would pick T-Mac over Kobe. T-Mac has no dependable supporting cast and still carries his time. Grant Hill and Mike Miller can't stay off of the injury list. T-Mac steps it up when he has to. After looking at our fantasy league draft, funny Kobe was in the cold until the 9th pick.
i won't even give my opinion about who i'd rank between those guys..i'll just go with what Mr. Jordan said when he said what seperates kobe from the rest of the bunch is his willingness to play Defense ..and i had kobe last year in every1 of my leagues so i thought i'd change it up this year..i have duncan in 3 leagues this year..hope he plays better than last night lol
this is useless. Autobilia is a front runner. What happend to your iverson better than kobe days auto? Iverson tonight seems off with 8-24 0-7 3 pointers. Everybody has off games period.
I think you're WAAAAAY off. Kobe is nothing without Shaq. He's a freaking egotistical ball hog and only scores 35+ against sub-par teams. Wait till he plays Cleveland or Denver before you make that prediction.
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Where are those big numbers that Kobe would put up without Shaq? Well, Shaq is out and Kobe isn't Super Kobe as Kobe fans are lead to believe. They had a losing preseason record and now lost the first game of the season. As I said before, Kobe is nothing without Shaq. He went 9-29 (and you Kobe fans had the nerve to talk about Iverson) and 6 turnovers (game high). Did Kobe leave his cape at home, or is he just waiting on Superman to return. Kobe is OVERRATED.
nice line autobilia
where are those big numbers? LET ME TOP THIS ONE FOR YOU AGAIN SON
He's a freaking egotistical ball hog Once again this is coming from a fan of the most egotistical men alive who can care less about his teamates or fans-barry bonds.
autobilia-Kobe is only good when Shaq is around because Shaq creates open lanes for Kobe to drive to and dunk and draw double and triple teams which gives Kobe and the rest of the time room to shoot. What Center in the NBA can guard Shaq 1 on 1? And as soon as Shaq gets the ball, he immediately have 2 people on him. So, there is always someone open. Now that those lanes are not openned up and no double and triple teams on their replacement center, Kobe don't have the looks and open lanes that he use to have and having a very hard time. Now, watch when Shaq returns, Kobe will start playing better and all of the Kobe fans will say, Kobe has just stepped up his game, when in reality, SHAQ is creating those open looks and lanes for Kobe. Kobe is OVERRATED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NICE ONE AUTO- shows how much you know moron
Jealousy? What jealousy? Giants lost. Doesn't bother me. Bonds didn't choke, they just lost 5-6. Could have went either way. Funny how you try to compare baseball to basketball. There is no way a baseball player can be a BALL HOG. Each one bat in order and play the field. You still haven't told me what I am jealous off? Kobe is OVERRATED and is nothing without Shaq. Kobe had a bad night and bad preseason. Kobe can go for 40, but how many shots will he have to take to make it? I remember people hating on Iverson for scoring 40 but having a low shooting %, but they take up for Kobe when he does it. Kobe is OVERRATED. And the only player I collect is in my icon. So, how can I be jealous of anything? KOBE is just flat out OVERRATED. But I expect excuses from Kobe fans.. they make excuses for him all last season while giving him credit for what Shaq creates and does.
... And then Kobe's put up two triple-doubles consecutively (WITHOUT SHAQ)... anybody can smack around Kobe if he's had a bad game or two, but if you look at his overall statistics over the past few years it's hard to argue that he's not one of the best few players out there
Kobe Who? At least Dwyane pays proper respect to Da Big Aristotle
<< <i>... And then Kobe's put up two triple-doubles consecutively (WITHOUT SHAQ)... anybody can smack around Kobe if he's had a bad game or two, but if you look at his overall statistics over the past few years and it's hard to argue that he's not one of the best few players out there >>
Whoa! In that case, James Posey had a triple-double his last game. Everyone better rush to their local card shop and buy up his cards!!! (the sarcasm is thick).
no matter what....... this guy autobilia will never admit kobe can ball without shaq, LOOK AT ALL HIS ABOVE STATEMENTS AND LOOK AT ALL KOBE DID TO SHUT HIS MOUTH.
Keep on sniping your worthless bat cards and save yourself gray hairs old man.
how much do you wanna bet auto will be all over kobe his next bad game? if your going to bash kobe his bad games you might aswell praise him for his good ones auto.
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<< <i>Nobody sads kobe doesnt benefit from shaq, have you read any of the post on here? you still havent given any kind of proof that kobe is overrated. Kobe has a very good shooting percentage for his career. You obviously dont watch many laker games if you think it takes kobe tons of shots to get 40, and dont start with this I dont care about basketball cause that is bs. You obviously care enough to make a stupid post and then follow up over and over. People like you are funny, you try to act like you dont care or your not biased when it clear you do care and are very upset about the lakers and kobe's success. >>
Kobe is only good when Shaq is around because Shaq creates open lanes for Kobe to drive to and dunk and draw double and triple teams which gives Kobe and the rest of the time room to shoot. What Center in the NBA can guard Shaq 1 on 1? And as soon as Shaq gets the ball, he immediately have 2 people on him. So, there is always someone open. Now that those lanes are not openned up and no double and triple teams on their replacement center, Kobe don't have the looks and open lanes that he use to have and having a very hard time. Now, watch when Shaq returns, Kobe will start playing better and all of the Kobe fans will say, Kobe has just stepped up his game, when in reality, SHAQ is creating those open looks and lanes for Kobe. Kobe is OVERRATED.
<< <i>haha the spurs and blazers can beat the lakers with shaq. kobe had a off game and still had mvp numbers- 27 points 10 boards 5 assists 4 steals will get anyone a mvp period. Tim duncan 3-14 parker 0-10, fisher 1-9, george 2-8 3 turnovers, horry 3-10. I mean it was just a bad game for all.I don't know how you judge a player off 1 game. The spurs were in full affect and the lakers were missing two starters. The lakers should lose tonight aswell, because the blazers are just a flat out good "team". All the lakers have right now is kobe and kobe can't score 80+ points alone. If he gets no help then no win period. >>
Hehe well, the Clippers and Nuggets beat the Lakers without Shaq. I rather loose to 2 playoff teams than lose to the worse 2 teams in the NBA.
27 points 10 boards, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks on a bad night. Can you imagine how silent you will be when he has a good game?????
<< <i>clippers and nuggets??????? HAHAHAHA Those are freaking pre season games man. >>
Excuses. Don't worry. SHAQ will be back so Kobe can ride on his shoulders.
<< <i>yes you still haven't proved how kobe is overrated.
27 points 10 boards, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks on a bad night. Can you imagine how silent you will be when he has a good game????? >>
That looks nice until the 9 for 29 shooting pops up and 6 turnovers. But what do you expect for Kobe fans. They are like politicians. Only pick the good out of the pile and then look for a bulldozer to hide the dirt.
<< <i>Auto, you know I don't like Kobe, but in fairness here I could say Duncan is clearly better than Shaq because Shaq never won anything until he was paired with Kobe. >>
Heh, Duncan rarely draw any double teams (mainly only when he beats his man and someone comes to help out). SHAQ is the BEST center in the NBA hands down.
Also, Duncan won a title with an over the hill David Robinson and Avery Johnson as his best supporting cast
<< <i>do you guys remember the 1st finals against Indiana when shaq fouled out late in the game and kobe took over the game with shaq OUT of the game..remember how big shot after big shot dropped and kobe made sure that himself, shaq and the rest of the lakers would not lose that very important finals gm..do you also remember after that game WHO walked up to WHO to give someone a hug and thank him for taking care of business..it's not always shaq's shoulders that carry the team to a victory >>
Umm, fouled out as in played majority of the game? Shaq was still there. Next argurment please.
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that right there just shows how idiotic this guy is.
the lakers did nothing but double team duncan is the playoffs.
<< <i>hahahaha auto just said duncan doesn't draw double teams like shaq?????????????
that right there just shows how idiotic this guy is.
the lakers did nothing but double team duncan is the playoffs. >>
Hard to draw double teams when you are moving. Duncan doesn't stay still like Shaq when trying to get the ball. Duncan is more mobile. Anyways.. Kobe is overrated and it is showing without Shaq around to wipe his tail.
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<< <i>if you put kobe ranked in order with iverson carter mcgrady and pierce where would you put him? honestly those guys are right shaq didnt win anything without kobe and kobe hasnt truely been on his own with a different team. Shaq is the best center in the nba and kobe is the best sg. im not even a real big fan of the nba and i can see that. >>
Honestly, I would pick T-Mac over Kobe. T-Mac has no dependable supporting cast and still carries his time. Grant Hill and Mike Miller can't stay off of the injury list. T-Mac steps it up when he has to. After looking at our fantasy league draft, funny Kobe was in the cold until the 9th pick.
Everybody has off games period.
<< i think kobe will drop 37 tonight >>
I think you're WAAAAAY off. Kobe is nothing without Shaq. He's a freaking egotistical ball hog and only scores 35+ against sub-par teams. Wait till he plays Cleveland or Denver before you make that prediction.
Kobe is averaging 29.5 ppg 12 rebs 7 assists shooting 49%
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sup with back to back triple doubles son?
nice line autobilia
where are those big numbers? LET ME TOP THIS ONE FOR YOU AGAIN SON
29.5 PPG 12 REBS 7 ASSISTS SHOOTING 49%
autobilia-Kobe is only good when Shaq is around because Shaq creates open lanes for Kobe to drive to and dunk and draw double and triple teams which gives Kobe and the rest of the time room to shoot. What Center in the NBA can guard Shaq 1 on 1? And as soon as Shaq gets the ball, he immediately have 2 people on him. So, there is always someone open. Now that those lanes are not openned up and no double and triple teams on their replacement center, Kobe don't have the looks and open lanes that he use to have and having a very hard time. Now, watch when Shaq returns, Kobe will start playing better and all of the Kobe fans will say, Kobe has just stepped up his game, when in reality, SHAQ is creating those open looks and lanes for Kobe. Kobe is OVERRATED.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NICE ONE AUTO- shows how much you know moron
Jealousy? What jealousy? Giants lost. Doesn't bother me. Bonds didn't choke, they just lost 5-6. Could have went either way. Funny how you try to compare baseball to basketball. There is no way a baseball player can be a BALL HOG. Each one bat in order and play the field. You still haven't told me what I am jealous off? Kobe is OVERRATED and is nothing without Shaq. Kobe had a bad night and bad preseason. Kobe can go for 40, but how many shots will he have to take to make it? I remember people hating on Iverson for scoring 40 but having a low shooting %, but they take up for Kobe when he does it. Kobe is OVERRATED. And the only player I collect is in my icon. So, how can I be jealous of anything? KOBE is just flat out OVERRATED. But I expect excuses from Kobe fans.. they make excuses for him all last season while giving him credit for what Shaq creates and does.
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gr00vy man has a life, therefor his not browsing CU 24/7 unlike other losers...
whats his next excuse?
cmon groovy man- test me and I will ruin sales on ebay.
<< <i>he's logged in 24/7 son
whats his next excuse?
cmon groovy man- test me and I will ruin sales on ebay. >>
Umm, I have AOL now, so how can I be logged in 24/7? Haven't had cable access in 3 months. So I guess you talking out the other end as usual.
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<< <i>hahahaha his first comment in days and it has nothing to do with kobe-
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Kobe is still OVERRATED. Is that better?
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<< <i>... And then Kobe's put up two triple-doubles consecutively (WITHOUT SHAQ)... anybody can smack around Kobe if he's had a bad game or two, but if you look at his overall statistics over the past few years and it's hard to argue that he's not one of the best few players out there
Whoa! In that case, James Posey had a triple-double his last game. Everyone better rush to their local card shop and buy up his cards!!! (the sarcasm is thick).
... and yeah I notice the sarcasm
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All your Shaq are belong to me
Keep on sniping your worthless bat cards and save yourself gray hairs old man.
Kobe player of the week
and that's all he wrote.
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haha..whateva ""son"" the pattern is obvious