We are seeing the proof.... too bad for Kobe fans
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Where are those big numbers that Kobe would put up without Shaq? Well, Shaq is out and Kobe isn't Super Kobe as Kobe fans are lead to believe. They had a losing preseason record and now lost the first game of the season. As I said before, Kobe is nothing without Shaq. He went 9-29 (and you Kobe fans had the nerve to talk about Iverson) and 6 turnovers (game high). Did Kobe leave his cape at home, or is he just waiting on Superman to return. Kobe is OVERRATED.
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<< <i>Yea and his women looks like a man! >>
hehe, he needs to dress her up like Ice T. did his girlfriend on the album cover to distract the other team.
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Kobe w/o Shaq = .500 Ball Team (If That!)
Shaq w/o Kobe = .800 Ball Team (easy!)
<< <i>auto, im not knocking Kobe's game, is is good and everything, but I don't see how people on this board can ask me how i could even put Tracy McGrady in the same category as Kobe...And I hope now they possibly realize that, I don't want to argue with anybody about it because there thick headed and won't change there opinion no matter what, because there bias due to being a fan of Kobe....He is still good and everything, but obviously people shouldnt keep thinking he is a God, and puts somebody like t-mac to shame! I just want people to see this, thanks auto! >>
T-Mac tries to get his team involved, but if they don't perform, he takes over. T-Mac has no Shaq and still handling business.
<< <i>auto, lets face it though, Kobe fans will never realize these things!! It takes two to tango, and without Shaq, Lakers wouldn't have had 1 ring on there fingers over the past few years >>
Yep. I was telling someone how overrated Kobe was and they took up for him all preseason and said preseason means nothing.. well, Lakers are 0-1 now and that does count. Kobe is not a leader. T-Mac is. That's the main difference between the 2. For the Lakers, the head of the snake is gone, so the body is dying and waiting on the head to return.
Kobe is nothing without Shaq.
This whole season will be proof once again of how important Shaq is to Kobe and the Lakers. I'd imagine Shaq will miss around 20 games this season..... the Lakers will be lucky to win 8 of those games.
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<< <i>You Chould put mostly and other 2 guard on that team and they will win because NO ONE can stop SHAQ >>
Then tell me why the Magic didnt win any championships when they had Shaq & Hardaway?
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And BTW, Iverson stunk up the joint shooting last night through the first 3 quarters (didn't see the 4th). He was like 7-23 or some crap like that. They all have their bad nights, but when do you finally say "I'm way off and need to let someone else shoot a bit more"?
<< <i>ya, you guys are right..go back and see how kobe's done without shaq in other games..boy this one game means everything
No, I'm going by the entire preseason and the first game of the season. Lakers had a losing record in preseason and even lost to the Clippers (without Elton Brand & Kandiman) and the Denver Nuggets (the worst team in the league). Kobe is overrated. Now I'm looking for that die-hard Kobe fan who said Kobe will score more points and will be better when Shaq is out. Shaq creates double and triple teams which leaves the lane open for Kobe to dunk. Well, since Shaq is out, those lanes ain't open anymore and Kobe is forced to force shots which is why his % is low. Kobe is nothing without Shaq. The entire Lakers team feed off of Shaq as in, the guards can pass to him on the inside and once he gets double or triple teamed, there are at least one or two people open which creates easy buckets. It's now clear that T-Mac is better than Kobe. He carries his team to the playoffs (especially since they have no dominate center and the rest of his team is injury prone... ie. Grant Hill, Mike Miller, etc.).
<< <i>by the way theres more to b-ball than just scoring but you guys don't seem to ever notice that..yes it was a horrible shooting night but 10 rebounds , 5 assists and 4 steals isn't so shabby ya know >>
B-ball is all about winning. Without winning, there is no championship. Kobe can't do it without Shaq. And 9 for 29 will kill a team because he was being a ballhog. If he is cold, he needs to get the rest of his team involved. Missing 20 out of 29 shots is pitiful. And 10 rebounds is nothing. Samaki Walker had 10 rebounds also. Kobe had 6 turnovers which was more than anyone in the game.
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<< <i>You Chould put mostly and other 2 guard on that team and they will win because NO ONE can stop SHAQ >>
Then tell me why the Magic didnt win any championships when they had Shaq & Hardaway? >>
Egos. You have to get the ball to Shaq. Hardaway wanted to be the man in Orlando just like Shaq did. So, you had 2 people playing against each other rather than playing together.
<< <i>one game and the laker hater jealousy is already coming out. They played the second or third best team in the leauge without 2 starters and were with them the whole way. What if kobe puts up 40 tonight, then will you still be here bashing him? >>
Uh no. Kobe even stunk in the preseason. Lakers got beat by Clippers (without Brand & Kandiman) and Denver Nuggets. They had a losing preseason record and it had continued in the regular season.
<< <i>Auto, stop letting jealousy run your life. Your basing your point on pre-season, give me a break. Of course kobe is not better without shaq cause now he is double and triple teamed. The lakers just played against two of the best defensive 7 footers in the leauge and kobe's game is to take it to the baskett so of coure he had an off night without shaq in there. unfortunately he has no one to pass it to that will do anything. Who is he going to pass to-Slava Medvedenko? Let the season run its course and then we will see who is overrated. >>
Jealousy? What am I jealous of? Please tell me... I'm interested in knowing. I just love how "biased" people aka Kobe fans think he is super man and when he stinks, they knit pick a few average stats about him (ie. Even though he went 9 for 29 and 6 turnovers, he had 10 rebounds). Samaki Walker had 10 rebounds too, so I guess he is superman too, right? Kobe is overrated and now Kobe fans have to grab a huge salad spoon and eat all of the garbage they talked last season on how good Kobe is and that he will do even better without Shaq. FULL of excuses now. What's next? Kobe wasn't feeling well? His mind not on the game? Just waiting to see how many EXCUSES these die-hard Kobe fans will make for their paper champion.
Oh, and let the season run its course? Oh, you mean when Shaq returns. Yeah, there will be a difference.
<< <i>How can you say he stinks, that just show how jealous you are that your favorite player and team dont have 3 rings, an all star mvp, a slam dunk championship, multiple game winning shots, a proven playoff performer, oh did I mention 3 rings by 23. I just love how people who like tcan or duncan are allowed to defend their favorite player but if kobe is your favorite player and you defend him then you think hes god or your a frontrunner. Give me a break. Oh and who said kobe would be better w/o shaw, I think that is something the haters just made up along with things like he never passes or he doesnt play defense, oh thats right, he has made the nba all defensive team. Has tmac, no I didnt think so. >>
I don't have a "favorite" player or team since the NBA as a whole is weak, so try again. I see the entire floor like a point guard. And airKobe said Kobe would be better without Shaq and a few die-hard Kobe fans agreed. Kobe has those 3 rings because of Shaq. Now the Kobe fans see how not so good Kobe is without Shaq. And it's being proven that T-Mac is better than Kobe.
<< <i>Guys, it's the first game of the season. I know there are alot of people that hate Kobe (yea I'm not a big fan) and then there are alot of people who would like to lick his body parts (I think there are a few on this board) but all you guys should calm down. It's one game and Kobe is a good player. True, he was missing his wing man Shaq and this can show alot of people what he can do without the big man but hey, he didn't step up. Guess having Shaq really does help......Either way, these guys are the team to beat with Shaq, Kobe and whoever is there. >>
We discussed this scenerio last season and now it is being proven that Kobe is not as good as people, mainly Kobe fans, were led to believe. They hate to admit it, but saying we will see as the season goes on, that they are waiting on Shaq to return so then they can give Kobe the credit for things Shaq does.
Tim Duncan only made 3 out of 14 fieldgoals! He surely didn't deserve that MVP title last year! He's overrated!
jeez.. I'm no Kobe fan AT ALL, all of you guys know that, but PLEASE.. who said anything about Duncan shooting 21%(!) last night? that's right.. no one! let's all blame Kobe for this loss..
Fisher went 1 for 9, they were w/o Fox, George went 2 for 8 but hey, it's Kobe's fault that they lost (by 5 points, which is rather embarassing for the Spurs when you play a half Lakers team..)
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<< <i>OH MY GOD!
Tim Duncan only made 3 out of 14 fieldgoals! He surely didn't deserve that MVP title last year! He's overrated!
jeez.. I'm no Kobe fan AT ALL, all of you guys know that, but PLEASE.. who said anything about Duncan shooting 21%(!) last night? that's right.. no one! let's all blame Kobe for this loss..
Fisher went 1 for 9, they were w/o Fox, George went 2 for 8 but hey, it's Kobe's fault that they lost (by 5 points, which is rather embarassing for the Spurs when you play a half Lakers team..) >>
Who mentioned Duncan? 3 out of 14 is a lot better than 9 out of 29. Duncan missed 11 shots. Kobe missed 20. Duncan knew when to quit, Kobe didn't. Tony Parker went 0 for 10, but I don't remember him winning any awards. He is just a rookie with potential. I remember people dogging Iverson for his shooting %, but I guess it's ok when Kobe does the same thing. 9 for 29 is pitiful no matter how you look at it. If he was a leader, he would of had more assists and tried to get his forwards involved instead of continuing to shoot the ball. Samaki Walker had 10 rebounds and only 7 points. He was 2 for 4 and 3-4 at the free throw line in 25 minutes. Only 4 attempts in 25 minutes, but Kobe had 29 attempts. Sounds like a ball hog to me. It even came out of his own mouth, and I quote:
"I shoudn't be shooting the ball like that," Bryant admitted. "I should get more guys involved." - Yahoo article
NOW AUTO IS ON TMACS BALLONS???? THIS GUY USE TO BE ALL UP ON IVO'S NUTSHELLS.Kobe had a bad game and still had
27 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS 5 ASSISTS 4 STEALS 6 TURNOVERS.
that's a typical iverson type night. Man this idiot is going to judge a player OVER ONE FREAKING GAME???????????????????
The spurs can beat the lakers with shaq period. You take two starters off any team and that team will struggle and I don't care who you are. You take pippen, rodman off the bulls and jordan would struggle to win a title period.
<< <i>OH WHAT?????????
NOW AUTO IS ON TMACS BALLONS???? THIS GUY USE TO BE ALL UP ON IVO'S NUTSHELLS.Kobe had a bad game and still had
27 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS 5 ASSISTS 4 STEALS 6 TURNOVERS.
that's a typical iverson type night. Man this idiot is going to judge a player OVER ONE FREAKING GAME???????????????????
The spurs can beat the lakers with shaq period. You take two starters off any team and that team will struggle and I don't care who you are. You take pippen, rodman off the bulls and jordan would struggle to win a title period. >>
I could score 27 if I had 29 shots... also I'm not judging Kobe on this game, but you can AT LEAST admit that w/o Shaq Kobe wouldn't be doin AS WELL AS he had been
Undertaker, just as I am unwilling to write off KObe after one game, I think it's a pretty ridiculous statement to say Duncan didn't deserve the MVP after one bad game this year. Just like Kobe, he will return to his dominating self this year, and I think the Spurs, as Ginobili improves, will give the Lakers a serious challenge this year.
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look at iversons night the same night............
7-25 field goals, 0-3 3point attempts, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers, 18 points.
look at kobe's night
9-29, 1-2 3 pointers, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks, 27 points.
are you going to sit here and judge iverson because he only scored 18 points on his opener???????????
HAHAHAHAHA WHAT A CROCK OF SHIZNIT
<< <i>Its a shame what jealousy can do to people. It is now obvious that you are just upset that your Giants lost and you need someone to take it out on. Who better than someone with 3 rings. Kobe is a great player who had a bad night. What are you going to post if kobe goes for 40 tonight. You are just like Joe Stalin on the other board, just throwing things out there with no facts to back you up but one bad night. >>
Jealousy? What jealousy? Giants lost. Doesn't bother me. Bonds didn't choke, they just lost 5-6. Could have went either way. Funny how you try to compare baseball to basketball. There is no way a baseball player can be a BALL HOG. Each one bat in order and play the field. You still haven't told me what I am jealous off? Kobe is OVERRATED and is nothing without Shaq. Kobe had a bad night and bad preseason. Kobe can go for 40, but how many shots will he have to take to make it? I remember people hating on Iverson for scoring 40 but having a low shooting %, but they take up for Kobe when he does it. Kobe is OVERRATED. And the only player I collect is in my icon. So, how can I be jealous of anything? KOBE is just flat out OVERRATED. But I expect excuses from Kobe fans.. they make excuses for him all last season while giving him credit for what Shaq creates and does.
<< <i>OH WHAT?????????
NOW AUTO IS ON TMACS BALLONS???? THIS GUY USE TO BE ALL UP ON IVO'S NUTSHELLS.Kobe had a bad game and still had
27 POINTS 10 REBOUNDS 5 ASSISTS 4 STEALS 6 TURNOVERS.
that's a typical iverson type night. Man this idiot is going to judge a player OVER ONE FREAKING GAME???????????????????
The spurs can beat the lakers with shaq period. You take two starters off any team and that team will struggle and I don't care who you are. You take pippen, rodman off the bulls and jordan would struggle to win a title period. >>
Yes, it is a typical Iverson night, but I guess it is ok when Kobe does it though. That's different, right. And not just 1 game, Kobe has stunk all preseason. Lakers lost to Clippers without Elton Brand & Kandiman, and lost to Denver Nuggets. They lost to the Kings, but that was expected even though Mike Bibby is out. Kobe just can't step it up and is useless without SHAQ.
It's funny that you have to remove 2 players from the Bulls in order for Jordan to struggle to make the championship. I guess SHAQ is equal to 2 players. Only remove Shaq from Lakers and Lakers are struggling for playoffs,
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<< <i>Using 1 game as proof for what anyways? Autobilia all you proved was that on a off night kobe can still produce mvp type numbers.
look at iversons night the same night............
7-25 field goals, 0-3 3point attempts, 3 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals, 3 turnovers, 18 points.
look at kobe's night
9-29, 1-2 3 pointers, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks, 27 points.
are you going to sit here and judge iverson because he only scored 18 points on his opener???????????
HAHAHAHAHA WHAT A CROCK OF SHIZNIT >>
Don't forget Kobe's game high 6 turnovers. Kobe doesn't know how to be a leader. I guess he waiting on SHAQ to return so he can continue to ride his back.
<< <i>well i've come to the conclusion that it's useless lol . for whatever reason people don't want to recognize or give credit to things he's done in the nba at such an early age...but to hate on him and ignore everything he has acheived so far because of a preseason and 1 regular season game is pretty ridicoulous.. does he benifit by playing with shaq? of course he does.. by winning rings its obvious they both benefit by playing on the same team..would shaq win a title with a guy like iverson or mcgrady? who knows ..we probally wont find that out..some things sound great on paper but the chemistry on the court might not be there..i remember when mcgrady was with toronto hearing things about t-mac that he couldn't wait to get out from under v-carters shadow and thats why he left ..that dosen't sound like a player that would be willing to play 2nd fiddle to shaq..so to end this thing up i will say that yes playing with shaq obviously helps kobe out but i will not give shaq all the credit for everything that Kobe has achevied so far..i.e being named 1st team defense and being the player that the vast majority of gm's picked to take the last shot of a big game..and i kind of wish every1 thought the things you guys think of kobe because maybe then his cards would drop more so i can afford the darn things
Don't worry, SHAQ will be back to wipe Kobe's behind like he always does and make him look better, but until then... you finally get to see how OVERRATED Kobe is when Shaq is away.
autobilia your judging a player that had a bad game and still had mvp numbers. HOW IS KOBE OVERRATED? BECAUSE HE HAD 6 TURNOVERS ONE GAME? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
iverson will only average 18 points because he only scored 18 points his home opener right auto? iverson lead the league in turnovers last year and he wasn't a leader for his team right auto? please stand up and pour a glass of hot coff on the hating typing fingers of yours.
nobody said kobe had a good game and nobodys making excuses. Last year it was kobe can't score without shaq now it's kobe can't average a triple double without shaq.
when is it going to freaking stop?? judge a player over one game kobe's so overrated we realize he had a bad game and still dropped
27 points, 10 boards, 5 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks