Question about "MS65 brown" Lincolns

ferd

There is a seller by the name of Delaney who sells lots of raw Lincolns, and many of these are graded as MS65 brown. They have terrible scans but what it looks like to me are XF45 coins. I have a hunch this seller overgrades bigtime. Has anybody purchased any coins from this Delaney?

clackamas

Any links? I have not dealt with him.

Coin Finder

I will say this about any Lincoln Cent in Brown: Dealers love them. They love to sell them. They will not be worth as much if you decide to sell them.... ever.

Tbig

dorkkarl

i absolutely love choice, lustrous brown copper, & just think the red stuff is overrated. too often, a stiff premium is paid for "red" or "RB" copper that is just plain ugly, w/ spots, heavy carbon, etc. my lincoln cents are nearly all brown, & you'd be surprised at how nice a display it makes when you see em all together.

back to your question, give a link where we can review this dude's stuff.

K S

ferd

I don't know how to do the link thing yet but his ebay username is delaney91101

MacCoin

with me its a rule of thumb any coin not in a slab is overgraded.

BillJones

I like brown copper also. When the color is "set" beautifully, the coins can be just as attractive if one is willing to really get close and study them. I think that it is especially attractive on half cents and large cents. And the really great part is that the coins are far more stable. The chances of getting a spot that can ruin the piece and downgrade it are considerably diminished.

It’s a shame the Lincoln cent collectors are so much against brown copper. Most of them yearn for red. The trouble is a lot of them can’t tell when the coins have been cleaned to look red. For me it makes it hard to sell Lincoln cents and work on want lists. I’ve had collectors put pieces under my nose and say, “See, I got my coin in red Unc. for a lot less than you said it would be!” It makes little sense to explain to them under those circumstances that cleaned copper always sells for less than choice original pieces. They will enjoy they “better coins though chemistry” or perhaps abrasion until it comes time to sell.

If you check the want ads, have you ever noticed that some dealers who offer to buy brown and R&B Lincoln cent almost always offer red coins for sale. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what is afoot there.

dorkkarl

i have seen an extraordinary number of dipped lincolns in every slab, ALL of them. once again, billjones, i am in 100% agreement with you.

if you get a true-brown coin, there is NO question regarding originality.

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i looked at delaney91101's coins. they would not meet my grading standards. i think i'd steer clear.

K S

nwcs

For me, I like originality. An original red is stunning on an older coin. but a nice brown color can also be so cool.

drsvenghali

From what I see there are several suspect grades. I would be very leery of purchasing anything in a supposed high grade with just a scan and not being able to personally inspect it. Also, I think most of the Red Lincolns are RB to brown.

Geoman

link to his eBay auctions

lincolnSence

His pictures are terrible and he doesn't know how to grade at all. I would stay away - period.

drOcoinOoperator

Nice choice of numerals taged to his name 91101! NOT!!

I would agree, stay away!

BillJones

Have a look at the 1931-S he's selling in MS-63/64 "Red." Even his photo shows the cloudy film of dip residue on it. If colletors think that coin is "original red" there's no way an honest dealer can compete with that on the basis of price.

drsvenghali

I guess my collection would be alot nicer if I just called everything MS 66 red too.

coppercoins

<< <i>with me its a rule of thumb any coin not in a slab is overgraded. >>



With me it's a rule of thumb...slabbed coins are overpriced.

Both of these statements are bull-malarkey.

TRADERBOBZ

OK i know but im going to say it anyway
ALL COINS WHERE RAW AT 1 POINT
there are some nice raw coins still out there that are undergraded and overgraded.just as there are SLABBED coins out there that are over graded and undergraded.........................its in the eye of the beholder..................................

dorkkarl

if you buy what you like & plan to keep it, how can it cost too much?

billjones, are you going to be in indy this weekend? if so, i'd like to meet up w/ you.

K S

Conder101

I'm going to be at Indy this weekend and wouldn't mind meeting both of you.

BillJones

Sorry I won't be in Indy, but I will be in Baltimore next week on Thursday and Friday on a buying trip.

dorkkarl

i don't know for sure if i'm going - about 5-6 hour drive for me. let me find out what the wife has planned, but i sure'd like to go. went last year (central states???) & had a terrific time. that show was in a humongous room at the colt's football stadium. where is it this year?

K S