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  • clackamasclackamas Posts: 5,615 ✭
    What's with the scratch by the "M" in "UNUM"? I guess you would have to see the coin in person but by the picture I would have to say no. The green toning is intriguing and may be stunning in real life.
  • goyankeezgoyankeez Posts: 357
    It "looks" like the toning is flaking off like paint. Or somebody tried to scratch it off. Especially on the lower cheek and along "Liberty" on the obverse. Obviously nothing like this happened, but strange effect, nevertheless.
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
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  • its4realits4real Posts: 451 ✭✭
    interesting
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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probably not a coin that will receive a consensus on eye appeal -- the breaks in toning do seem to lower appeal. I don't think I'll be a bidder on this one!
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  • BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭
    I've seen this coin on their website. I like the color, but I really didn'yt care for th overall coin because of the cheek.
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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    I don't like blotchy toning. Hard to tell what the mark by UNUM is from the scan.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This coin falls well short of MS-68 so far as I am concerned. The eye appeal is not there, and I would not expect to see an obvious scratch like the one under "UM" to appear on an MS-68. If it's only a toning mark it's still a distraction that has to count when you get this level. An MS-68 should be virtually perfect.

    This is one more example of how a pedigree can raise the grade. You see this on Eliasberg coins too. The "name" adds a few points to the grade.

    As for the green toning, check it out on this early dime. I'd much sooner see it with some eye appeal than the flaky looking appearance on this 1885-CC dollar.
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  • gemtone65gemtone65 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    The colors on this piece are interesting but not spectacular. If I submitted that coin it wouldn't grade MS67, let alone MS68, with those marks in the right obverse field. In fact, I have submitted pieces with only one mark like that on the reverse, and couldn't even get an MS67.

    The toning pattern does suggest peeled paint. Indeed, I have owned similar toned pieces, and careful inspection led me to think that the coin rested against canvas, paper or cellaphane which did stick to the coin. Upon removal from its resting place, I conjecture that the toning on certain parts of the coin, especially the high points on the face, were in fact peeled off in the process. Such toning patterns are not inherently attractive.

    Overall, perhaps the name on the slab contributed to the grade. Certainly the results seen from the Binion coins, among others, would suggest this practice is not unprecedented. Consequently, I wonder whether pedigreed coins in general tend to be overgraded, and hence even more overpriced then they might be anyway.
  • JeffinMichJeffinMich Posts: 438
    I'm no expert when it comes to Morgans at this level, so I have no opinon on the technical grade, but I will say that I don't like the eye appeal with that streaky toning. Dip it! image
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,380 ✭✭✭✭✭
    oops


    Great plastic - don't any registry guys want the boost??
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  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    This is caspercoin AKA "Mr. I've Resubmitted This Coin 3,437 Times and it is Still Undergraded". He seems to like to brag how many times he has resubmitted a coin.

    The toning pattern is really ugly on this coin.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    I've seen pictures of this coin before and all I can say is, I hope it looks better in person. That said, I don't think there's a scratch on this coin, it's just the ugly toning which makes it look that way.
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  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it's in a PCGS slab, then it must be really one grade point higher. So, it should be an MS69.

    WSM, I think you should buy this; it's a great deal getting a 69 coin at 68 money.

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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    without seeing the coin up close in person, it seems the toning makes it impossible to tell the true grade

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    BillJones,

    The Jack Lee pedigree had nothing to do with this coins grade. It was graded a 68 before it was in the Jack Lee set.



    This particular piece was in a GSA holder at a major show some years back and cracked out and submitted. I believe it sold for a whole lot of money to a dealer before it was cracked and submitted. It is an amazing coin for an 85-CC (which normally come untoned with plenty of marks and abrasions, even in MS66) and the toning is fully original and beautiful in person. I would say that it is probably the best 85-CC I've ever seen in terms of quality and eye appeal. As to whether PCGS would grade this piece a 68 today if resubmitted raw, well....thats anyones guess, but it's a no question superb coin.

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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    It's kind of scurvy looking for a $75k coin if you ask me.
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  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    I looks like the holder says MS68.. so it must be... lol!! If a coin could bleed, I would bet that lady cut herself shaving!! Nice colors though
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  • wallstreetmanwallstreetman Posts: 2,938 ✭
    No one can tell me this coin has nice toning! Someone get this green sh*t off this ladie so we can see her in her original beauty! Looks like facial mask she has tried to scrape off with her nails! How many points is she losing, 1, 2, 3........? I will have to admit, PCGS screwed up on this one! Its a wonder coin alright, wondering what he was on when he started this auction at $20,000!
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  • oldcameoproofsguyoldcameoproofsguy Posts: 3,174 ✭
    If I was going to spend $75,000 on a coin I think I would want one with better eye appeal than this one. It also looks like there is a contact mark on Liberty's neck as well as the disturbance in the field previously noted. From the scan it looks more like a 67, but then again I'm not a five second per coin grader at PCGS either.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    He has had the coin for sale often. This is one coin I would love to see in person. I will take Dragon's word on it since he has seen it. That techically is not a scatch, but a luster break, most likely by another coin at one point in time. After reading monsterman's posts on the politics of high end Morgans, I think I would stay far away from it. BTW whatever happened to Greg?
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If this is the best 1885-CC there is, it must look a lot better in person. I owned a proof-like years ago that had a lot more eye appeal than this coin. Generally PCGS coins in green label holders tend to be conservatively graded. I'd say this is an exception. I can think of far better places to spend $75K than on an overgraded, slightly better date Morgan dollar.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm gonna give WSM a "big hug" because when I first clicked on the link I was really (REALLY) expecting to see an NGC holder.

    Are we nitpicking eye appeal off a scan again?
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  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭
    Pictures and scans just don't tell the story with toned coins. You can't roll it under a light to see the luster, and the rainbow effects just are not portrayed accurately enough. I will admit to buying a 66FBL toned Franklin just to fill the spot in my type set. I just wanted a common dated coin. Frankly from the pictures, I was less than impressed. However, when I got the coin, it immediately became one of my favorites. It looks so neat in person. I suspect this coin would WOW you if you had a chance to see it in person. IF you like toned coins. mdwoodsimage
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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This seems like deja vu. Wasn't this coin discussed several years ago here? If I'm not mistaken, he's a member of the forums with the name caspercoin.
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  • vam44vam44 Posts: 291 ✭
    Does this look ms-68 to you?

    Says so, right under the initials P-C-G-S, can`t you read?image
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've also seen this coin in person (at Long Beach a couple of shows ago) and it simply looks much better in person than that photo.
    Up close it sure looked MS68 to me.
    Via the scan it simply does not.

    Oh well.

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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    michael dip that thing its fugly
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