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Yea or nay part 2 (poll added): help Lord M blow four thousand bucks!

lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
1891 half
1883 quarter
1881 quarter

I still lean toward the half- I like larger coins. I am tempted by the light cameo contrast on the Benson piece, and it would go well with the Benson PR63 CAM Barber half in my icon. The 1883 PR67 quarter is lovely, but it would hurt. I think I could swing it, but I'd be pushing my finances to the very limit.
Here is the original "yea or nay" thread, so if you came in late you can see some of the other discussion.

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  • mdwoodsmdwoods Posts: 5,546 ✭✭✭
    LM, go for the PCGS MS67 FH SLQ on ebay for the same money. mdwoods

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  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    Go for the half. It's bigger.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    LM,
    can you post the 3 pics again in this thread?

    I'd say to buy some Non toned Key date stuff!
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    There seems to be an option missing.image

    EDIT: OOPS! It's there now.

    Russ, NCNE
  • its4realits4real Posts: 451 ✭✭
    I think you should use the $4,500 to buy my 125 War nickels - it's a steal!
    "spare change? Nahhhhh...never have any...sold it all on E-bay..."
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, refresh the page- I was still workin' on the poll. I saw that MS67 FH 1930 SLQ, and it's lovely, but I want earlier stuff. (At any rate, I just sold a 1930 SLQ in MS65 FH).

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Honestly, the two quarters look much worse IMO compared to the one from Pinnacle (coinguy made me say it image j/k)

    I really think if you want any, the half is the way to go!
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm gonna vote "none of the above" just because I am undecided, and I can't see the results of the poll until I vote. So my "none of the above" is actually a nonvote.

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I know you want rainbow but I saw a nice for the grade seated dollar proof here Link
  • If you were going to keep it for a very long time I'd vote for the half or the '81. But if you turn around and sell it you might lose some money. That would mean less PR 2 cent pieces. Or are you having second thoughts about the PR 2 centers?
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey rob

    i went with the half but the 1881 quarter was a close second. the portrait just glows on that coin!!! i cease to be amazed at the fact that classics have been preserved like that. SSSSWWWEEEEEEEEEETT!!

    al h.image
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Placid- that David Lawrence Seated dollar kicks @$$, never mind that it's untoned. Lower technical grade, but still an awesome piece. How much are they askin'?

    Carl- I still am thinking hard about doing the 2 cent pieces, and am bidding on a PCGS PR64 RD on eBay right now. I can (just barely) afford it and the half, I think. If I buy the half it means less 2 centers, but I'll still possibly have one 2c piece to start my set with (assuming I win it), and the others could follow later.

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    $2,900.
  • Easy:

    Buy the 1926-D and 1926-S on eBay that Ira Stein is selling. Hold for me until my tax return arrives in Feburary. Then sell to me. image
  • NicNic Posts: 3,365 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The half, very pretty. If it looks as good in person you'll have one sweet coin. K
  • Hey Lord, I didn't see the option for "Take both the quarters from Legend and offer them $8,000"

    If they say no, stick to your original 2c plan - if they go for it, well you'll find the extra $3500 somewhere!

    Ken
  • I realize that I'm in the minority at the moment, but that 1883 quarter dollar just lept off the page at me. (My wife said, "Did it hit you in the eye?" My response was, "I'll not be the same for quite some time.")

    It's easy to vote when it is not your money, but I do like it. The pastels on the half are truly nice (groovy image ).


  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Hey Lord M.
    You can take some of that and buy me my peanuts!!!image
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    I voted none of the above.
    I'll post my reason why soon as I am headed home from work. image
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hey Lord, I didn't see the option for "Take both the quarters from Legend and offer them $8,000" >>



    Umm... maybe because $8,000 is not an option, on my budget! image

    (Unless Legend accepts Monopoly money).

    Ursabear- minority or not, I'm glad you weighed in on that PR67 quarter. It is too beautiful not to get some consideration. But it would stretch my budget rather painfully, particularly if I win the PR64 RD 2c on eBay. You have impeccable taste. image

    Marty: aaaaack! aaaaaaaargh! Not those stupid peanuts again! One day I will meet you at FUN or something, and I'll throw them at you!!! image (Y'all, he's been pestering me for some peanuts for months, since I live in GA, never mind that peanut country is well inland from here- I'm in shrimp country. I should send him a box of stinky shrimp, LOL).

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  • I'll add my two cents:

    If you are building a 2C collection, that probably should be your #1 choice. If not:

    The 1883 25C IS spectacular, but it does have a decent size die flake on the reverse (small missing piece of metal). If your a perfectionist, it won't work for you (but the colors are gorgeous).

    The 1881 is no slouch. It is a high end coin.

    I haven't seen the 1891 50C. It sure looks nice. If you have a feeling for it, then pick it.

    Suggestion:

    If your stuck just wait. I'm sure you be able to pick through hundreds of coins between now and the week after the baltimore show ends (about in one month). Why rush your decision if you didn't experience love at first sight?

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  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    I voted for the benson piece, it is really nice.

    image
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was waiting for Legend to come in- and how do you like that for honesty, folks? Pointing out a defect on one's own coin in the interest of fairness is very commendable. Even if Legend doesn't get my purchasing money, they just gained a point or two of goodwill (which can't hurt in the future, right?)

    That Benson quarter is awesome- and very tempting. But it has really tough competition from Pinnacle's half - the half was love at first sight for me. (So far it is holding up in the poll, too). Legend- I don't think you voted for yourself- that's OK, you know. As long as it's only one vote. I would welcome Pinnacle on this thread, too, if they are a presence on these forums. But they are in the lead at the moment, so they don't even need to vote.

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  • I voted for the 1881 quarter - that is one amazing piece. All of them are great, but it seems like the quarter just takes one's breath away.

    Frank
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    (BTW, Legend- even if I go for Pinnacle's half, it would probably be only a temporary distraction from my 2c quest- keep me in mind for PCGS proof 2c pieces in the future, when my checkbook recovers from the blow!)

    I will be seeking PR63+ 2c pieces in RD or colorful RB, though I will consider PR62 pieces if the eye appeal is right, and BN pieces if they have nice colors.

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    LordM,

    Since you asked... I wont vote, as I haven't seen Legend's coins in person to be able to make a fair comparison. And, fun or not, I would be doing you a disservice making a recomendation based on images alone. I can tell you, however, that I love the look of our coin, as I do many of the coins that Legend sells.

    However, as I've read this thread I've been wondering to myself if this is all moot because I was told by my office earlier, that someone had bought the coin today. So, either 1) someone else bought it and you wont be able to, even if you want to image; 2) you bought it already and haven't fessed up yetimage; or 3) my office was mistaken. I guess only time will tell if it's door #1, #2 or #3.
  • Lord, I voted for your 2 cent proof collection. If you buy any one of the three coins posted, the play money is gone in one swoop and the fun is over. Plus, i'm a big fan of those 2 cent copper proofs with killer tonning and cam devices. But ultimately, it's your party, so have fun! image

    Get back over to the Darkside! image
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Terry- if a cameoed, colorful Gothic Crown had presented itself, I would have gone DARK. And I'm still gonna play with the 2 centers, probably. This is just a sidetrack- a "bachelor party" of sorts, before I marry myself to 2c pieces. I might go for one of those two coins above (I think the PR67 quarter is out, mostly for financial reasons). Blowing my play money on one big coin means I only start the 2c set with one example, maybe.

    Coinguy1, I spoke with Scott Schechter this afternoon and he said he is holding the PR66 1891 half for me, which may be why you were told it had "sold"? Go ahead and vote for your company if you like. You should be allowed one vote. You're in the lead now, but who knows how it'll go later? (I'm known to be wishy-washy) image

    Y'see, blame this on Russ- he started it all with his "Two Cent Piece eye candy" thread, wherein he pointed out a gorgeous, rainbowed PCGS PR66 RB 2c piece on the Pinnacle site. That got me to looking, and this Seated half jumped off the page at me. (I missed the boat on that 2c piece, but it got me to thinking about starting a set of those).



    << <i>Hi Mr. Shinnick. Thanks very much for your phone call. The 1891 NGC PR66
    Seated Liberty Half Dollar is held for you, pending confirmation of trade
    and payment terms. We offered a range of $700 to $850 for your 1862 PCGS
    MS64 Seated Liberty Quarter. Since we are sight seen buyers, we can confirm
    with you upon receipt. Our shipping address is as follows: xxxxxx

    Regards,

    Scott Schechter
    Pinnacle Rarities, Inc.
    >>


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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lord: I'll relay advice that Laura always gives (yells) at me - save your money until the right coin jumps out at you. Something special is always lurking just around the corner and if you spend what you have on a coin you don't need, then when the coin you need comes along you'll regret not being able to buy it!

    Yeah, I know - she actually makes sense every once in a while! image
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>save your money until the right coin jumps out at you >>



    But that half did jump out at me. Is it the right coin? Only time will tell. But I called Pinnacle this afternoon, just in case. I didn't want to miss this one like I did their 2c piece. I sort of feel like I would regret letting this coin pass me by. Even if I ended up selling it a year later, I would like to say I owned it (and if I ever do, I probably would hold onto it a bit tighter than I usually do- not a fast selloff item). I even have the opportunity to do a trade-in, as you see from the email I quoted. But that MS64 Seated quarter I got from mdwoods is a monster to itself, so I might not trade it. I like it.

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  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    Here is my reason for voting none of the above. Do not use anything I say against me, this is only my opinion. image

    I saw THIS imageimageimage on Pinnacles specials last week! Yea, I had to reboot my PC because of all the drool my keyboard acquired! They were offering it for $1895! imageimage That was Friday night, I believe.

    Needless to say, I immediately pm'd coinguy saying I was interested in purchasing, but he was out of town for the weekend. I emailed Pinnacle also, and as I waited with baited breath for Monday to roll along, I showed this to my wife and she loved it!! Well she isn't much into coins but she gave me the go-ahead to get it! She loved it!!! image Monday rolls along and I receive my long awaited email from Pinnacle saying they SOLD ITimage

    Oh well, back to my reason. If they were offering this for less than $2K, they or someone else will offer something similar for the same price. Which means, you can have your cake and eat it too! You can have $3K left over for purchasing some neat 2 cent pieces!!

    Here is a link to the more detailed pic of this monster!
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    HOLY GUANO, BATMAN!!! imageimageimage

    (Jaw drops, hits floor)

    AROOOO!!

    If that ain't a howl-at-the-moon coin, I don't know what is!!

    What was the service/grade?

    One spot by Liberty's foot. A few flecks here and there. And it's a quarter.

    Big whoop-de-doo. If I had seen that coin, I would really have foamed at the mouth.

    Point taken, Loki. But I am not going to be hasty, at any rate, because I can't be. I have yet to receive payment on my gold set, and even then I have to wait for the check to clear and for the buyer to give his OK (I offered him a 5-day return privilege, but he's gonna like the gold set, I'm sure).

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  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    PCGS PR66!!! image Man I bet I was soooo close to getting it! If only I saw it while coinguy was on earlier, perhaps...... oh well can't win them all I guess!
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a funny thread. We are seeing how a coin collector makes up his mind (where, where? image ) on purchasing a coin. The sellers are real polite and potential competitors of this coin are asked to offer their opinion on these coins. I am nearly in stitches.

    Hey...I could really make it miserable for all........come home to Momma and buy up all your old coins. image LOL.

    This thread is a gem in that it accurately portrays what some of us really go through while making very logical coin purchases.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought I would put the whole sordid scheming process out in the open. image

    And you wouldn't get your hands on that half if I didn't turn loose of it, oreville, so nyah nyah. I have it reserved. (Learned my lesson when I missed Pinnacle's recent 2c piece- you snooze, you lose.) The Benson 1881 quarter, though, I do not have reserved. I only wish I could afford it, too.

    What the heck, I ain't ashamed to admit that this is the first time I have ever played in this segment of the market, and is likely to be the last for a little while. I think I want to get a "big gun", not a bunch of smaller pieces. Bang for my buck, and all that, y'know. (Though with some budgeting, I should be able to get a proof 2-center now and then.)

    That 1891 half, if I buy it, will be nearly four times my previous record price on a coin (the iconized 1898 PCGS PR63 CAM Benson half, which set me back $1,058- and that is the only time I've paid more than $1K for a coin.)

    It's kind of fun to muse and ponder out loud, with everyone looking over my shoulder. (Maybe with everyone looking over my shoulder, I'm less likely to screw up, too.) image

    PS-Loki, at the price you mentioned, I think I would have pounced on the coin you showed. Instantly.

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  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    Yea I tried, but a faster dog got it first. Oh well, maybe you can ask coinguy or laura to look out for your interest, now that they know what you want. I am sure something like that will pop up again soon. As she said, the Baltimore show is approaching and they may just be able to find you something there. I will take seconds! image
  • I couldn't vote on the poll. I have classic proofitis so bad that all the scans did is make me tremble and think about how I could raise the money to buy the two examples that you choose not to buy. All three coins are beautiful. The colors on the half are awesome. The quarters are not only both beautifully toned but have thick frosted devices. I don't think that you could go wrong with any of the choices.

    How's that for a really wishy washy opinion?
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Haven't read through this whole thread. And not trying to burst any bubbles, I'm sure you know what you are looking at but always keep in mind that with these old proofs they might not be as electric as the scan. I have some previous experience on these.

    Stman
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stman, you're not bursting bubbles. You're bringing up a very good point. Mr. Schechter and I discussed this over the phone while he had the coin in hand, and he told me something along the lines of, "Well, obviously our images are created to show the coin in its best possible light", and mentioned that the coin had to be turned a particular way to the light for the colors to display to full advantage. I expected this, however. He also mentioned that the toning does subdue the mirrors on the coin a bit (again, to be expected), but that the effect is still dramatic in person. I suppose I'll have to have the thing in hand myself to decide, and when that day comes, I will of course have a return privilege to fall back on if I don't like what I see.

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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    I like Laura's advise, I'd wait. I'd bundle up that cash and head for Orlanda in January. When you see that certain coin that says to you this is, gotta have it, go for it. It will be a coin you want to keep forever. Every coin that I have purchased this way is still with me and I can remember the exact circumstances surrounding the purchase and that is difficult at my age.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    BTW, if anybody's interested in seeing the coin I might use as an $800-850 trade-in, there are pictures of it in the original thread from when I bought it from mdwoods. It is a lovely MS piece, and if Pinnacle offers less than $800 as a trade-in. I wouldn't even consider trading it in at all, except that if I do, it saves me $800-850, and there's that much more I can use to pursue my proof 2c pieces. (So even if I buy the monster Pinnacle half or the Legend quarter, there's still room for me to get one or two 2c pieces to start my 10-pc set with).

    IrishMike- that is sage advice- I probably should save the money until Orlando in January. But I doubt I have the self-discipline to sit on it that long. When it comes to enthusiasm over this, I'm pretty much like a kid. But I am trying to temper my enthusiasm with a little common sense, here- that's what this thread is all about. I don't know if common sense could override the enthusiasm in this case. It's too tempting to splurge, and drop the money on the type of coin I could normally only dream about.

    I could always blow the money now and spend the next 3 months saving up for FUN... image

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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    I should talk, I promised myself to stay away from any purchases over $500 until after FUN. I didn't quite succeed. Only once though did I break my promise to myself, but it was the last coin to finish off my proof 36-42 Washington set and the price was too good to pass up. Anyway happy hunting.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks. If I can keep a rational head on my shoulders, I'll be OK.

    (Who am I kidding, here? I have a terminal case of rainbowproofitis, and I'm a goner for sure. LOL) image

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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    That 1883 quarter is awesome! Go for it! But they all are so scrumdidlyumptious!
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    I didn't read all the replies, but I voted for the half. It's not only larger, but also more of a "monster" coin. All three are impressive, though.
  • That Benson 1881 25c was on e-bay not long ago (do a "benson" search in completed items) it was opening at $2699 (no reserve) then the seller ended auction early coin no longer available. Wonder where it went?
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very interesting, agentjim. You're definitely a good bloodhound. What happened to the possible fraud you sniffed out last night? I need to go catch up on that thread.

    Here is the auction he is referring to.

    The coin looks much darker in person, and while I want color, that is a bit heavy for my tastes. (I'm still new to the color game, and not quite ready for that yet, beautiful though it is.) The reverse on the coin is incredible. The half is solidly in the lead now, though. The 1883 PR67 quarter is at the farthest limit of my budget, and the Benson quarter is nice but maybe a bit too heavily toned for my taste. I want pastel colors. Which brings us back to the question of whether or not the half is darker in person. It may well be- probably is, in fact. But will the toning kill the mirrors? Hmm. The half looks to have closer to the kind of colors I want.

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  • I normally like larger coins but have not learned to appreciate toned coins. In my opinion the 83 is the best struck and looking coin. What the heck! It only costs a small fortune..for you.

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  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LordM, I think you know I fully understand the love for these old proofs. And do understand about needing to tilt the coin in the light to achive the full color effect. Also to get the full mirror effect. Looks like you've about made up your mind and I hope it is the coin you have dreamed of. If not my advice would be make a quick and decisive decision when you get it. If you have to talk yourself into loving it or hating it, then it's not for you. I have been wanting one of these halves, or a barber for a while.

    Problem is I'm getting very picky on what I will accept. I now want one where I get the color at first glance and it also has to make it on the technical aspects. So even if the color is all there it's tough to find it all in one coin.

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  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    I agree with stman - only buy the coin if you truly love it. You shouldn't have any doubts or have to talk yourself into it. Whoops, you're talking about our coinimage In that case, my advice would be...what I just said. image

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