Wildy toned '64 JFK, AT or real?

Russ · October 3, 2002 5:14AM

Just got this one in today:

Really big juicy scans here:

Toned 1964 Kennedy obverse.

Toned 1964 Kennedy reverse.

So, what do you experts think? Cold day in hell? Or maybe?

Russ, NCNE

KlectorKid · October 3, 2002 5:41AM

i think it might be AT but im no expert at JFK toning.

DHeath · October 3, 2002 5:42AM

I kinda like the green. I have no idea if it is natural toning, but I like the look of the coin.

wallstreetman · October 3, 2002 5:46AM

AT!

Russ · October 3, 2002 5:49AM

Two real opinions so far.

Russ, NCNE

RLinn · October 3, 2002 5:53AM

I'm leaning toward real but then who cares about my opinion. What would PCGS say? Probably err on the side of AT. Nevertheless, the coin is attractive and worth owning on that basis alone.

Russ · October 3, 2002 5:57AM

RLinn,

I care about your opinion.

Russ, NCNE

nwcs · October 3, 2002 6:12AM

I have a morgan with green toning, but haven't seen much pink. But looking at the transitions and such, I'm leaning to AT. Also, what is that on his cheek/sideburn/chin area? Is it color, slide marks, or rough planchet? Looks odd.

Outhaul · October 3, 2002 6:16AM

Looking at the reverse where the toning stops abruptly with no discernable pattern, AT (chemically).

Just my two-cents (U.S.)

Nice looking coin, though

Cheers,

Bob

Russ · October 3, 2002 6:17AM

nwcs,

The cheek area has a boatload of horizontal parallel scrape marks. This poor ol' JFK has been banged around a lot.

Russ, NCNE

keithdagen · October 3, 2002 6:18AM

Russ,

Although it is a pretty piece and well struck, my gut feeling is AT. The area around the neck concerns me, and looks artificial. That being said, I have a PCGS slabbed Morgan with similar colors.

Placid · October 3, 2002 6:20AM

Looks like a real JFK to me

Russ · October 3, 2002 6:26AM

The interesting thing about this one is that I can trace it back a little bit.

I bought it here.

He bought it as part of a wad here.

It arrived in the same 2x2 as in the original auction where he bought it. So, in the least, I know the guy I bought it from isn't the Doctor.

Russ, NCNE

CLASSICS · October 3, 2002 6:28AM

<< <i>Just got this one in today:

Really big juicy scans here:

Toned 1964 Kennedy obverse.

Toned 1964 Kennedy reverse.

So, what do you experts think? Cold day in hell? Or maybe?

Russ, NCNE >>

....russ if you look at the top ,and back of the head, notice it is white, that is one of the high points on the coin, if the rest is toned ,one would think it also should have some color on it. if the toning was from an album the back would also have more color as the front does, if it was kept in an old paper enevlope laying face down the top of the head would also be toned.. with all that said, i beleive the toning to be, at.

KlectorKid · October 3, 2002 6:36AM

i think some1 droped that coin in paint during fingerpainting

airplanenut · October 3, 2002 6:57AM

Tonekiller came to the boards with a few like that in ACG slabs... they were AT, as I suspect this coin is

But don't worry, everyone still likes you (and Tonekiller) (and everyone else)

DanC · October 3, 2002 6:59AM

ooooh. "icky"

I say AT.

HuliganRS · October 3, 2002 7:04AM

Looks AT...

kieferscoins · October 3, 2002 7:09AM

I can't decide, but one thing disturbs me: The toning goes up onto the rim on the obverse. Does it go around the edge too?

Cameron Kiefer

clevegreg · October 3, 2002 7:27AM

Russ,

It looks like a classic example of AT using that sulphur of liver stuff (?) based upon the color scheme. I don't recall the exact name of it, but it came up in one of the AT threads.

Greg

littlewicher · October 3, 2002 7:48AM

AT!!! It was possibly made by sitting it on top of a flood light. The typical pattern with them is one side almost completely toned with different colors and the other side almost always has that blue color in kind of a "wavy" look. Try sitting a SBA dollar or another Kennedy Half on a floodlight bulb and see what you get.