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I've been thinking about starting a collection of PCGS Morgans. Just one thing bugs me. I know many people think this is the most beautiful coin, but the "lady" portrayed on the obverse is more masculine then a lot of men out there. Looks like a football player in drag. Why would they put such a butt ugly woman on the obverse?
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  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭
    For more info on "The Silver Dollar Girl".........Anna Williams.
  • I beg to differ with the "football player" analogy - but for an 1878 babe, Anna was PHAT. (Geez - gotta quit hanging out with the kids!) image
  • Anna does look a lot like Joey Buttafuoco. To each, his own. image
  • Thanks for the advice. I was acutally thinking about just collecting the CC's.
  • Susan B. Anthony is much more fugly than the Morgan lady imho.image
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  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭
    Susan B. is uglier then mud! I can't think of a worse mug on a coin.
  • Of course Monica Lewinsky with her cigar would look nice. YES?image

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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Susan B is/was soooo ugly she had to sneak up on a glass of water
    theknowitalltroll;
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,082 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A set of nice CC Morgans would be a worthwhile endeavor.
    theknowitalltroll;
  • Susan B. Anthony was so ugly that her momma took her face one time, put it in batter, and made ugly cookies! image

    And that's the most ridiculous thing I eeeeeever heid!


  • << <i>A set of nice CC Morgans would be a worthwhile endeavor. >>

    I'm finding putting together a full set of O mint Morgan dollars enough of an endeavor for me right now.image
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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I bet if we put a few Forum guys on coins,

    we could give a new definition to the term ugly.

    Actually, the SBA in 69 PR DC+ is quite a lovely looking coin.

    I would not say I would care to marry SBA herself, but the coin in the

    right grade is OK in my book.

    I think that you human males are being a bit chauvanistic

    at least by bear standards.
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    Camelotimage
  • OK bear - several of us would make scary coins, but you have to admit - looking at Miss liberty on an MS65 Type I SLQ is a heck of a lot easier on the eyes than SUSAN! image

    Frank
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    funny thing is that i don't know a single person that actualy thinks the coin is "pretty". it's just that it's a big coin, & you can get em w/ alot of flash. i just think it's an average coin, on par w/ barber coins.

    K S
  • Years ago when Frankie designed the SBA coin he worked from a photo of her and it was shown in Coin World along side with the finished dollar galvano.
    He really failed to capture her beauty as she had nice brown hair and her face looked 50 years younger.
    I think the coin does not do her justice at all and he made her appear like an old hag.
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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MrLee said:
    For more info on "The Silver Dollar Girl".........Anna Williams.

    Thank you
    She's quite stunning, pretty
    Neat article.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,143 ✭✭✭✭✭

    FWIW, remember that Morgan was an Englishman trained in England and only recently arrived in America.

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  • DocBenjaminDocBenjamin Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Morgan is the ultimate collector coin. Plentiful but with many better dates and varieties.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    She is definitely a robust woman! Never cared for the Morgan design, but have grown to appreciate it more over the years. Anne Williams was the model. She is a real person. Schoolteacher.

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Barber was a superior engraver.

  • TimNHTimNH Posts: 149 ✭✭✭

    Agree about the Morgan (though the Peace dollar sure fixed that B) ), but some of those early 1810s-30s "Matron" liberties .. whoa..


  • Something about those androgynous designs that draw me in. I’m really surprised that after 22 years the hyperlink provided my MrLee still works

  • john_nyc1john_nyc1 Posts: 89 ✭✭✭

    Very funny OP post! Have to admit that Liberty is a bit mannish. But as others have commented this look goes way back to classical Greek & Roman times. I do find the Morgan dollar to be exquisitely beautiful, as most collectors do.

    Casual collector, mostly Morgans & Peace Dollars.

  • AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not sure that this post deserved its resurrection but if it did, Ms Liberty looks a heck of a lot better than Ms Barber.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :) Maybe they “fixed” the problem by putting a real hottie on the Peace dollar

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I always wondered if Frank Gasparro designed the SBA to be ugly on purpose since they wouldn't let him use his liberty head design. Just a thought.

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  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2024 6:40AM

    Also, this thread stands no chance of surviving. 5 out of 11 of the original posters are banned, and only one of the other 6 is still active.

    You guys should really see the OP's other threads.

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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 13,778 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s one thing to have a bad portrait of a historic figure……but poor Eunice Shriver had to deal with seeing her OWN bad portrait!

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2024 7:12AM


    Here’s 4 random women’s portrait photographs of women from the 1890’s superimposed on a coin. Just to show what random women in the late 1800’s looked like in comparison

    Mr_Spud

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2024 7:30AM

    Actual portrait of Suzy B.

    Mr_Spud

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WillieBoyd2 said:
    image
    Susan B. Anthony and Cleopatra

    :)

    You should put that in the coin look alike thread.

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is one of those times that I wish I knew Photoshop! Sadly, Anna Williams wearing a football helmet will have to wait.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 17, 2024 3:31PM

    The latest American Women’s Quarter, already toning up nicely

    Mr_Spud

  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. Lazarus has nothing on this thread. Funny enough tho, I couldn’t agree more with the OP from 2.2 decades ago. Always thought the Morgan woman was meh, at very best. Looks like a great biggin’ approaching harpoon level! Now the Peace dollar girl is kinda hot.

    By far the manliest to ever grace a U.S. minted coin has to be that Thai ladyboy on that US/UK abomination the mint recently wasted our tax dollars on.
    Five barfs easy: 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

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  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 18, 2024 3:27PM

    @Mr_Spud said:
    Actual portrait of Suzy B.

    If this is your wife, you know damn well you’re cooking your own dinner tonight, and every night. Good this is I bet she’s a hell of mechanic.

    Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.

  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,313 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wonder when this post will venture into today's realm of what a woman is??

    Could get interesting and could get someone banned. HEHE!!

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  • retirednowretirednow Posts: 530 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmwarren said:
    I've been thinking about starting a collection of PCGS Morgans. Just one thing bugs me. I know many people think this is the most beautiful coin, but the "lady" portrayed on the obverse is more masculine then a lot of men out there. Looks like a football player in drag. Why would they put such a butt ugly woman on the obverse?

    @MrLee said:
    For more info on "The Silver Dollar Girl".........Anna Williams.

    "Girl on the Silver Dollar" by Roger W Burdette another interesting read

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 24, 2024 7:43PM

    Just playing around with something new, sorta came out ok


    Mr_Spud

  • NysotoNysoto Posts: 3,818 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Classic Grecian profile.

    Grecian Profile definition: A profile in which the nose and forehead form an almost straight line.

    "In the appearance of the face, the so-called Greek profile is the chief characteristic of high beauty. The profile consists of nearly straight or gently concave line, which describes the forehead and nose..." Johann Winckelmann, 1757.

    Also from Winckelmann, who is considered the founder of the neoclassical movement: "the face consists of three parts; that is three times the length of the nose...." this defines the longer nose on Grecian profiles, which dominated U.S. Mint coinage from 1793 through the nineteenth century and beyond.

    Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,981 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 19th century concept of beauty was different than it is today. Back then, healthy, larger sized women, who could bear children and pull their weight with the workload were admired. Now it's young and mostly skinny,

    Old Walter Breen claimed that these were guys in drag. What do you think?

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Nysoto said:
    Classic Grecian profile.

    Grecian Profile definition: A profile in which the nose and forehead form an almost straight line.

    Umm, she does NOT look like Venus de Milo - more to Grecian beauty that a straight nose and forehead.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,343 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 26, 2024 5:55PM

    The technology already exists ;)

    Me, I’ll still be collecting these

    Mr_Spud

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