$10 gold liberty opinions-I got the coin today

darktone

I was offered this coin for a fair price and I am looking for opinions on it's grade. I already have this date but I like the look of this one too. mike

KlectorKid

wow very nice ill say ms-64.. but i cant grade gold very well.

CarlWohlforth

If the reverse is as nice I'd guess 64. I might have guessed 65 but that was already done

littlewicher

I think 64. The mark on the cheek, in my opinion, might keep it from a 65. It's a very nice coin.

FC57Coins

64 for the reasons cited above. However, these coins are tough at levels above 63 so if the price is good go for it.

Frank

BillJones

It's hard to say from the picture becasue the color looks flat; I don't see the luster.

From what I see mark wise, it looks like an MS-64, but if it's as dull as it seems on my monitor, I'd have to go lower.

I know this is a different type of coin, but you can see the luster on this piece, which is a nice NGC MS-63.

tjkillian

I would have to say MS-64 as well, but a higher end one.

Tom

Placid

Color looks off. AU58 wear above the R in the hair and on the R and the hair knot. Something about the end of the hair curl dosen't look right to me either.
If it is raw I would be careful.

Catherine

I was thinking the same thing. It's a nice piece, but it is a slider. I'd say AU-55/58. Very slight wear at the end of the "ponytails"

darktone

Wow what a variance in grades! AU55-MS65 Now I am more confused than ever. I was thinking 63-64. I will wait for more responses before I make up my mind on an offer. mike

Higashiyama

Darktone -- actually, I would have agreed with your own assessment of MS63 - 64! 65 seems to be a very hard grade to get on gold. From the scan, I would feel confident it is not AU55. AU58 is always tricky -- from a scan I think it is impossible to distinguish between softness and wear.

darktone

Higashiyama- I have not seen a gold liberty coin grade AU with fields and neck area that clear before so I don't even consider an AU grade an option on this coin. Now if it was an indain gold coin I would think differently. As far as the color goes I think almost all scanners mask luster and I don't see any evidence of cleaning( it's usually pretty easy to tell with these coins). Thanks all
mike

lordmarcovan

I suppose it could be a slider; sometimes it's hard to judge from a picture. It's either AU58 or MS63+.

Personally I am inclined toward the latter. Looks like a high-end 63 or maybe a low-end 64 to me, but again that's only a W.A.G. from looking at the picture, and I am far from an expert at that grade level. I don't agree with Placid on the color being "off"- it looks fine to me. But of course I could be wrong.

(That is a pretty one Placid posted, but it looks more like a proof?)

darktone

lordmarcovan- that sure does look like a proof. Maybe someday I can afford to collect the proofs. mike

Placid

Yes it's a proof. Darktone you have the coin in hand so you can definatly judge better than anyone looking at a small picture.
If someone asks for a opinion for a purchase I will alway's be as tough as I possibly can based on the photo. I would not want to risk someone being mad at me because I thought something was a 65 and they send it in and get a 63.

darktone

Placid- actually I don't have the coin yet. I will be making an offer on it though. I always look forward to your opinions and I really respect your opinions. You are one of about a dozen forumn members that I really look forward to hear opinions from(but I do like to hear from everyone). mike

Placid

Today there are 277 $10 eagles on heritage. Maybe give them a visit and compare.

Here is a pcgs 63. For comparison. Nothing beats a good return privledge thou when having buy based on a picture.

lordmarcovan

I haven't owned any proof gold, either.






Yet.


That's something I might have to remedy, when the budget allows...

In the meantime, I need to upgrade my own $10 Lib to MS63; the $2.50 and $5.00 Libs as well. My little 8-piece 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set on the PCGS Registry might climb back into the top five when I do that. I once (very briefly) had it at #4. Last I checked it was still at #6, where it's spent most of its time. I have all the Indians and the double eagles in MS63 now, I just need to bring those first three Liberty denominations up to that grade. Just sold off all my old MS62 Indians, so maybe I can do that. The $10 Lib is my priority, since the one I have is the only MS61 in the set (formerly ANACS MS63).

doereme

AU58...

dragon

Just going from your pic, that piece is definately an MS coin, not a slider. Many $10.00 Libertys have that matte finish look to them which is normal and is original, also common on $5.00 and $20.00 Libertys. PCGS will probably 63 that coin (again, from your pic) with a small chance at 64 depending on if that is a deep cut near her chin or just a light abrasion, also depends on what the reverse looks like, if the rev. is very clean, maybe a slightly better shot at 64 IMO, but probably not the way they are grading right now. If that is a deep cut near her chin and the stuff above it is marks in the metal too, then it could even go 62, but the obv. fields are clean enough and my first reaction was 63+.

Dragon

1jester

Almost no chatter at all, or any signs of wear. Very nice. I suspect the "wear" marks near the truncation of the neck could be the way the scanner reflects light. But if it has any wear at all, I'd be surprised, because in that case I'd expect to see the wear all over the coin, plus a lot of other marks too. Very nice coin. I think at least MS-64 if no wear.

jtryka

Mike,

I would probably say MS-63, but given my recent trends at guessing the grades on your gold coins, I would say I am probably a point or two on the conservative side.

darktone

jtryka- I think you are one of the best graders of gold on the forumn. So keep calling them as you see them.
mike

boiler78

Mike- I agree with Jeff on the 63 grade. The surfaces look 64 with a one point deduction for the subdued luster.

darktone

Well I got this coin for $200! It should be here in a couple of days. I am very anxious to get this coin in my hands as it does look to be a very nice coin. I will post a picture when I get it. I almost feel guilty for getting this at that low of a price but with no pictures in the auction nobody bid. mike

lordmarcovan

I'm outta the gold game for now; sold my set.

Loki

I recently purchased a 1988 Olympic $5 gold commem PCGS PR69DCAM for a BIN of $119 which included S&H. Awesome strike and well worth the $$. For something relatively inexpensive and in 69DCAM proof, I would recommend it highly. They shouldn't be hard to find on eBay.

OH LOOK!! Here is one now!! . I purchased mine from this seller with no probs.

darktone

I got the coin today. What do you think? It has nice luster and that delicate chalky look. mike

FC57Coins

Great looking coin Mike! - Nice color!

Frank

lordmarcovan

I think you should forget about those $10 Liberties and buy THIS instead. (Who needs a slab- it comes with a Certificate of Authenticity!)

hahahahahahahahahaha

robertpr

Hey I marked up your coin a little bit but I see the same thing on both scans..wear. Especially on the cheek in your second scan. I've circled what looks to me like wear on the coin. Of course, it IS a scan, and we all know how that is.


I've been thinking of adding a little gold to my own collection, probably the same coin.

Patosh

I hate to be negative but I feel the conservative opinions that have preceded this are more on target. I have a few $10 gold libs and my MS63 and MS64's would lead me to a MS61 or MS62 for this coin. Altho mine are NGC but for your price it is an okay deal IMHO.

Loki

<< <i>Quoted from LordMarcovan - I think you should forget about those $10 Liberties and buy THIS instead. (Who needs a slab- it comes with a Certificate of Authenticity!)

hahahahahahahahahaha >>

OWOw!! A Crying Indian! And it's only $28K?!
Oh wait, sorry. That's just me crying from laughing so hard!

dragon

robertpr,

All those areas you circled are not areas of wear, that is an MS coin.

Dragon

clackamas

Whatever the grade for $200 I think you did well. I can't tell from the scan if its AU or BU. Gold coins are heavy so luster breaks are common. To tell the difference between a luster break and actual wear is a crap shoot IMO from most pictures.

Outhaul

PCGS - MS-64
NGC - MS-63
ANACS - MS-64
ACG - PF-68

My opinion = MS-64

Cheers,

Bob

darktone

Thanks everybody. My opinion after having it in my hand is MS63+. I have several of these coins in PCGS and NGC slabs to compare it to and it's just too nice to be in a 62 holder and I think not quite nice enough to be in a 64 holder. What ever it grades I am very happy to have an example of the 1899 with the chalky satin surface. And from what I have read the 1899 is the only date to come with this surface? Thanks mike