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ANACONDA SAYS GOODBYE FOR NOW

Howdy! Posting here has become less fun. It's reached the point where lurking seems to just call my name. Posting to this forum is time consuming, and effective communication seems to be an elusive goal.

I may only be gone for 30 days. I may come back and "do some more research", much like the alcoholic has to re-take up drinking several times before he finally says enough. Maybe I'm just having a bad day. I seriously doubt it. Yes, accuse my mother of wearing army boots and I'll probably come in and defend her honor, but you are free to "take a chunk outta me" now that I'm giving it a rest.

Here's the thread that was the proverbial straw, breaking the camel's back. I wouldn't bother reading it, but just in case you are interested, here it is:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=125348&STARTPAGE=1

To the many honorable people who post here. Can you clone yourselves en masse and drown out the riff raff?

Take care....for now,

adrian
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  • The thread Sorry to see you go. I hope you come back. Your posts were always informative.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • Anaconda's Link
    Anaconda, I hope you'll reconsider. You have consistently provided an informative and enjoyable facet to the discussions found in this forum.
    Buy the coin...but be sure to pay for it.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I guess this kitchen is a little warm?

    Russ, NCNE
  • The majority of us want you to stay, I'm sure. Fighting is not the answers to problems. If two people keep on fighting, it will never end.


    For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
    -Laura Swenson

    In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    We'll miss ya while you're gone. I've learned a lot from your opinions and insights.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    dude, sorry if i had any small part in you getting off the forum. as you know , apologies already exchanged and accepted, as honoroable people.

    K S
  • Anaconda - I appreciate your reaction and must say, I have found a lot of the petty bickering, name calling and posturing very tiresome at times. However, after reading the referred to thread, I must say you are hardly blameless! As I tell my kids - "I don't care who started the fight. I care about who stopped it!"

    I have found most of your contributions to this forum to be highly entertaining and frequently very informative. At least to a novice like myself. We live in very different numismatic worlds, but I can still gain from your insights and experience.

    But you sure didn't do much to stop it! (I must admit I didn't get past page 2 - far, far too boring!)
    Home brew is best - Never drink alone
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Interesting thread when Littlewitcher is the voice of reason! image
  • CalGoldCalGold Posts: 2,608 ✭✭
    Adrian,

    Sorry to see you go. Lurking won't stop people from posting statements that offend you. My feeling is that the best remedy is to shun those whose conduct is unethical, such as those who make unsubstantiated attacks on others. But certainly there are many threads that are not flames.

    Living with the internet requires an understanding that anyone can post anything, no matter how incorrect. One must view each post with skepticism unless you know the poster is a truly knowledgeable on the subject. Fortunately, there are many contributors to this forum who are very knowledgeable. The more knowlegeable participants, the more valuable the board is, so that erroneous statements can be countered with correct information.

    Many posts are matters of opinion. There again, it makes for a more worthwhile forum if the most knowledgeable voices can be heard. The numerous toned vs. untoned; classic vs. modern; pcgs vs. ngc threads have shown that many forum members have a lot of ego tied up in their collecting preferences, but if one filters out the flaming, there have been many interesting points made.



  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i went to the linked thread and couldn't even get to the bottom of the first page!!! adios snake!!! my feeling is that you were here to take more than give anyway. to bad. and it's not like that thread was the first time you were involved in some type of BS here.

    my suggestion for you is to stop running cause you keep making the mistake of taking yourself along whenever you go. give pause and take a nice, long look in the mirror at what the real problem is. all of us do it at some point in our lives and maybe this is your time. you've just always come across to me as a bitter guy and i've seen where that ends.

    am i the only one who finds it bizzare that you would tell us not to bother reading the thread but you bothered to post the comments???? WOW!!!!! get a grip, quick!

    al h.image
  • Adrian-
    Probably best that you did. Personally, I will miss reading your perspective. I did not partake in that thread and am glad. I had not even read it, until now, as I don't collect currency. That was a real doozy! I have to agree with others that you had your share of fault in this one. I'm sure you are not the only Member who gets frustrated with others who spout off about issues of which they have so little knowledge! I find it shameful some Members take the stance they have taken in this thread. Adrian, take some time off and be sure to come back. Unfortunately, most of the same ***** will still be around. The vast, vast majority will be interested in hearing from you again.
  • bye.
    image
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lesson learned. Had Adrian taken his blinders off and knew who he was communicating too I'm sure he would have handled his emotions and responses differently. At least, I would hope so.

    peacockcoins

  • I read a few of his posts. IMHO, he's got some kind of superiority complex. He annointed himself the currency quiz master. He came to troll the unwashed masses for potential clients. Maybe he scored; maybe he didn't. But at least he knows when to leave.
  • don't let the screen door hit ya....
  • Don't go!

    You can't let some "Element" get to you!

    Igore some posts and move on... That's what alot of us regulars do.

    I for one will miss your thoughts.

    Rusty.
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    "It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err."

    Mohandas Ghandi
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anaconda

    I don't understand why the question wasn't simply asked like;

    Hi Bustman
    I've read your comment and I've heard some things about these companies.
    Why do you think these people are immoral and corrupt? PM me if you like.

    Your friend, Anaconda


    Addressing this issue in this manner would have been more appropriate and possibly more informative. And less confusing and time consuming. Now, for me to get an answer to this tailtelling twist to the story. I'll need to surf the internet.

    I too, would have liked an answer. Although I collect little in currency, my wife never fails to come home from work to show me some old bill(s) that someone spent on pizza. But now, I may never know.

    But maybe CGC or CGA recently went bankrupt or maybe there was an internal scam of some sort.
    Maybe some top official was taking money under the table or there was sex scandel. Other reasons may include a few bad business experiences and for many other possible unknown reasons they were not publicly posted. If that is the case and it proves true, shouldn't we respect this forthcoming news.

    Oh.... the suspence....I can't stand it!........GRRRR!

    Leo image

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • I hope you folks will pardon the intrusion...

    I've seen this happen at a number of boards, and it's not just coins, or computers, or politics, or whatever.

    One of the big problems with communication in writing, is that many people either take too literally, or conversly
    tend to read too much into what someone says. Obviously the judicious use of emoticons helps, but particularly
    with people that have a sharp wit, or trend sarcastic (like me)image - we are many, many times in hot water when the
    original intent may have simply been "ribbing" the other member in a playfully abusive way - like friends or brothers do.

    I'm not saying this is, or is not the case here - but from experience, these things are almost never as they appear.
    One misinterpretation leads to another, and before you know it... FLAME WAR. image

    I'm taking no sides, I simply wished to point out that it may be *possible* that no one really intended any real ill will.
    Since I don't know many folks here yet - I know I for one, will keep an open mind regarding the matter.
    c'mon guys... it's COINS. Spirited discussions will abound when intelligent people gather. Not taking it quite so seriously
    does in fact help. image

    Sorry for the blather...
  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    If what Bustman wrote was "actionable," then wouldn't ACG get rich off of us for what is routinely said here?
  • One less attorney means less potential for "actions" and hence a more pleasant environment for the remaining members.


  • << <i>Obviously the judicious use of emoticons helps >>

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    Buy the coin...but be sure to pay for it.
  • RLinn,

    you've GOT to get a handle on your emotions! imageimage
  • Goodbyeimage
    "Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a harder battle." Plato



    ....... bob**rgte**
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Adrian,

    Stay and ignore the posts and posters who drive you nuts. You mentioned in another thread, something to the effect of - it's a waste of time to try to reason with certain people. I'm not taking sides on the currency thread, as I don't feel that I know anything upon which to offer an informed opinion. But, you offer a great deal of useful information, humor, wit and insight. You also present thought provoking questions and subjects.

    One last thought - if you leave this board I will sue! image
  • Hi Adrian- I'm new so I don't know you very well but you seem intelligent and very knowledgeable on this subject. Just remember-Life is way too short to be taken seriously! Hang around awhile and don't take yourself too seriously either.
    careful- that light at the end of the tunnel might be a freight train!
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    " A mans got to know his limitations" ( Dirty Harry)
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • cachemancacheman Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭
    anaconda, When/if you return, could you do what was asked of you shortly after you joined? That being, not spamming the boards with Post titles containing your company name! Your orignal reasoning for this practice was because you weren't aware of the capabilities of the "Today" button and you expressed a need to be able to search for "Your" threads. You were told how to go about it so we wouldn't continue to get spammed and still you found it necessary to continue the practice. This leads me to believe that you either are here to stimulate interest in your company only, you have a Napoleon Complex. or both...
  • PushkinPushkin Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭

    Dear Joining, Departing and Remaining forum members who send me PMs. I am happy to receive PMs from members who also accept them. If your PM mail is turned off, don't bother sending me a PM, they are just deleted. The courtesy of acceptance includes the courtesy of accepting a reply.

    Thank you for your attention.

  • I just looked at the thread and felt the same way other people here have. There is no reason to start threatening lawsuits because someone claims another company is corrupt or whatever. Why not just ask what problems he has ran into and go on with it? Also, you have to know when to stop responding to a thread after you have made your final points, otherwise a thread could go on forever with 2 people fighting back and forth.

    JJacks

    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • Anaconda, stay and just ignore some of the posters...you, Legend, Dragon, monsterman, TDN and others make this board fun! -mark-
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,959 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anaconda: If you are reading this just keep in mind that this is a mere chat room. Nothing to get excited about.

    At least that is what I thought until I saw your wonderful suntanned pics. image

    Seriously, whatever you decide, is fine with me.

    Just keep in mind you are down to 29.5 days at the most.
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie............. Hmmm...... 30 days....... well at least that's better than a 7 day spin dry........ imageimageimage
    ahhhh....... SODO MELVIN?????
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is no reason to start threatening lawsuits because someone claims another company is corrupt or whatever.

    I have to admit to having just skimmed the thread due to the immense verbosity and negative energy being emitted.....but nowhere did I see anybody threaten a lawsuit. I saw Anaconda say that what was stated by Bustman could be enough for someone to sue for libel and, based on my previous experience with TAGZ on this board, I would have to agree.

    Just because ACG ignores the posts on this board does not mean that they could not sue. Granted, it would be very difficult to determine a monetary damage over a chatroom comment, but that's up to a judge or jury to decide - not you or me. And it's very expensive to defend one's self no matter who wins in the end! Anaconda's initial post was one of caution and the message should be heeded by most of us (except for Greg - he's beyond all hope).

    The remainder of the thread I can do without.


  • << <i>" A mans got to know his limitations" ( Dirty Harry) >>



    HEY NOW!
    A dealer once asked me if I noticed any three-legged buffalos on the bourse,to which I replied,"...no,but I saw alot of two-legged jackasses..."
  • cachemancacheman Posts: 3,118 ✭✭✭
    With regard to Pushkin's earlier comment;

    Dear Joining, Departing and Remaining forum members who send me PMs. I am happy to receive PMs from members who also accept them. If your PM mail is turned off, don't bother sending me a PM, they are just deleted. The courtesy of acceptance includes the courtesy of accepting a reply.

    This goes ditto with me too...and I think you might know who we are talking about!
  • Don't leave Adrian. 1 bad thread doesn't mean you should leave. As I stated in the original post everyone has a bad day, and even if you don't feel you played a part in feeding the melee just take a few days off and come back refreshed. I will offer as a reward for your staying 1 1923 $ Silver Certificate in VG condition (a horse blanket). That is the oldest currency I posses, so my expertise in currency is severely lacking. PM me if my very generous offer entices you to stay and I will stand by my offer. imageimageimageimage


  • << <i>She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie............. Hmmm...... 30 days....... well at least that's better than a 7 day spin dry........ imageimageimage >>



    My sentiments...EXACTLY! image

    Andy
    We are finite beings, limited in all our powers, and, hence, our conclusions are not only relative, but they should ever be held subject to correction. Positive assurance is unattainable. The dogmatist is the only one who claims to possess absolute certainty.

    First POTD 9/19/05!!

  • Adrian,

    Someday I'll go to a big coin show and introduce myself. Until then, see ya later.

    Mike.


    My Barbers
  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭
    Dan

    you get my vote for cu coin forums guy of the year.

    does anyone else find it ironic that this is all about a currency posting on the coin board?

    oh well, if you go Adrian, thanks for the RNA tip, didn't mention it before, but i find Maurice to be a pretty good read.



  • You know I can't come up with anything nice to say. I had hoped to learn alot for the grand "anaconda"
    All I learned is to either quit or leave when things don't go my way. Thanks, but both of those lessons I knew.

    I read the thread. whatever.
    Up until tonite I had looked forward to the day when I would have one of his monster coins in my collection. Seems to stand true, coin dealers are a dime a dozen. They come and go.



    << <i>This leads me to believe that you either are here to stimulate interest in your company only, you have a Napoleon Complex. or both... >>


    Interest in his company LMAO!!! Loss of interest, would be more correct.

    dAnarchy
    image It's Her's
  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,163 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Adrian, Please reconsider. You have great skill in communication and you have great taste!! You also have a great career and wonderful family!! We all have to take these things in perspective from time to time. The trolls will always abound, as will the nay sayers and the do gooders.

    With war eminate and post 911 feeling running abandon, I think I am darn lucky to have what I have and be able the get an evenings entertainment in my PJs on this old laptop.

    Keep you chin up and never give up!!

    Tbig
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    hey Tbig

    you're on a laptop?!?!?! man, that's the way to fly!! image i can see myself posting from the throne on the reading room!!

    al h.image
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    sneakysnake you take this stuff way too serious.
    Call 1-800-WAHHHHH
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Pretty amazing thread, I think it shows us a couple of things, number one if you are going to make blanket statements, be prepared to back them up. Number two, there are always better ways to address someone elses comments if we take a lot of time to think about it. But having said that there are always those who you can predict, they will make statements base on their own agenda. Always consider the source and what their motivation is before you left their comments disturb you. Best advice I have ever been given in life is to not let some one else control your mood.

    There is nothing wrong about admitting to someone or yourself that you are less than perfect, in fact it shows an inner strength and peace to be able to do so. It amazes me and saddens me too, the number of parting shots I have read. I am not taking sides but I have to tell you after reading this thread and the one the that initiated it I have to admit, I think less of this forum than I did before reading them.
  • It is very interesting how an initial question got blown into a big debate about the veracity of a currency grading service. Many of the posts and subsequent replies took an offensive tone and then verbal assaults just piled on after that. I think many subliminal opinions that many forum members held privately then got exposed as the discussion got more heated. I am not surprised at the "stepping back or hiatus" action and other comments made subsequent to that decision. Comments on chat sites and message boards are very easily taken out of context and misconstured too many times to count. After a while, it snowballs and takes a life of its own.

    I used to chat over 12 hours in a day and many issues and arguments have been part of that experience. I think I have learned much from the other type of personalities that I have experienced in that chat time. In some cases, my personal feelings had to go through an emotional wringer at times. In those chats, many life situations and experiences were shared (as well as manufactured). I think I became a more wiser person from having experienced it. But for this forum, I have not been much of an interactive message poster as in my previous chat days. But after assessing the entire gamut of my experience on the computer, I will treat any interaction on the PC more gingerly and NEVER get into any debate with others (unless it is a life and death situation). So anyone who wants to argue with me will get a wall of silence. I am a wallflower of sorts and the PC helped me to become more of an "extrovert", but I will continue to use the internet to make my life more convenient and knowledgeable. It got me close to $1000 just for going online image
    Pax et bonum
    Recommended reading - The PCGS Guide to Coin Grading and Counterfeit Detection and The Coin Collector's Survival Manual and NCI Grading Guide
    For the Morgan collectors - The Morgan and Peace encyclopedia by Van Allen and Mallis

    What would your slabbed coins be worth if the grading services went out of business? What would your coins be worth if the Internet was taken offline for good?
  • You appear to be a very intelligent person. You do know what you're talking about and you have a good way of articulating it, you've a sharp tongue. But a knife like that can cut both ways. I especailly liked and learned alot from your post a few weeks back about toned coins...I found that tread to be very thought provoking and constructive. I followed this thread daily and was amazed at how destructive and personal it had become, you let your guard down and spoke without thinking about the long term consequences (mostly to yourself). Now you feel bad and wish to take a break from the forum. That's ok, step back and think about it. Decide how you what to move forward. Everyone makes mistakes, it's what you do with the lessons learned that really counts and separates individuals. I hope to see you back at some point in the future constructively sharing your knowledge.
    It's the "hunt" that makes this such a great hobby...
  • Well, I read that whole "bogus" thread and I must say, "um aren't we talking about coins this week?"

    Anyway, my vote is no one should ever leave. The moderators do a decent enough job at blocking all the super-offensive stuff and other than that the message board has lots of links and it is very easy to not read ones you don't want to.

    I have used message boards where there were 10-20 times as many posts per hour as this board has per day and I still didn't have too tough of a time finding information that I wanted to read so the more the merrier!

    Plus arguments can be very entertaining image Although I'd probably give the thread that spawned this thread a 3 out of ten.
  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭
    adrian, sometimes we all need a break, however i must say you keep me on the edge of my seat, not only what you have to say, and your insight, but with all of your wonderful coins..hurry back, ron
  • Adrian - I've been following the original thread that led to your decision. While I can't blame you for your feelings, I must say that I for one will miss you. Take a break, relax, come back and filter the Bulls**t so it won't get to you.

    Awaiting your return.....

    Coppernicus
    Coppernicus

    Lincoln Wheats (1909 - 1958) Basic Set - Always Interested in Upgrading!

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