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Check out this Isabella. Any chance PCI got it wrong and it really IS a Proof?!

braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Proof Isabellas are one RARE coin! Is there a chance PCI messed up on this one (calling it a MS60PL) and it truly is a Proof?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1380560163

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  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    It sure is a nice coin and even has cameo! They could have possibly messed up, but the old PCI were usually pretty accurate with their grading.


    For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
    -Laura Swenson

    In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    What about the reverse? There are two sides to every coin.

    Cameron Kiefer

    Pizza King
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is the new PCI (don't let the green outlined insert trick you. The FONT gives it away-).

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    So the new PCI will slab using the old green label that they are not supposed to be using anymore with the "new gold label"?

    Cameron Kiefer

    Pizza King
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not exactly. PCI used the green outlined inserts for a few months before starting their "Gold Label" ad campaign. The management (actually the old PCI was bought out with new players installed) change brought on the NEW PCI (in phylosophy and grading). That's when they went downhill. It's not just the gold label you have to watch out for. The "tells" on this one is the font used.
    The " g " in mintage is different the old inserts and the dollar sign (when there is one) is totally different.

    There was a thread running on the Coin forum side that had a comparision shot of the old and new labels. Maybe someone could dig that up and link it here?

    In the meantime, there is a slight likelihood this Isabella is a Proof, and I'd love to get some opinions on that too.

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  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    Just buy it.image


    For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
    -Laura Swenson

    In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just buy it.image >>



    I amost am going to! But, if it's a business strike it's been cleaned and probably isn't a great coin in person. He wants full MS retail too.

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  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    I would ask the seller if he has a return policy.


    For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
    -Laura Swenson

    In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
  • goose3goose3 Posts: 11,471 ✭✭✭
    Here you go Pat
  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    Thanks for the link, Goose.


    For some life lasts a short while, but the memories it holds last forever.
    -Laura Swenson

    In memory of BL, SM, and KG. 16 and forever young, rest in peace.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here you go Pat >>



    PERFECT! Thanks Goose3!

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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    Rare indeed!

    PCGS has only graded three of them in Proof.

    2 in PR-58
    1 in PR-62

    I bet this is not a proof or has something else wrong with it, otherwise it would be in a PCGS slab. has anyone asked for the reverse picture?

    Cameron Kiefer
  • CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    I don't know anything about Isabellas. But doesn't it look like proof like Morgan dollars? I would think the fields would be better polished on the real proofs. But, like I said, I don't know those coins...
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  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    I think it is a business-strike prooflike coin with many hairlines and accurately graded at MS60PL.
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  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    I guess there is an ever so slight possibility that this coin is a proof but for me i grade this coin 375 dollars AND AN OVERDIPPED UGLY BANGED UP 375.........LOL

    sincerely michael that WAS A GREAT POST WE NEED MORE LIKE THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS PAT!
  • truthtellertruthteller Posts: 1,240 ✭✭
    Proof Isabellas are very tricky. I have seen many proofs and very many PLs. PCGS has an inhouse policy not to grade on a regular basis proof Isabella any longer(this from a retired grader) since there is too much controversy over the striking characteristics. The die that was used was the same for the proofs and the PLs. Proof s will have a mirror between the lettering as well as a fully struck cord of wool on the reverse maiden. There is also a small triangle of proof reflection under the arm of the reverse maiden, but this is not a definte characteristic. In addition, many isabellas were struck well with high rims, so the major proof characteristic is fully square denticles and proof surfaces between the denticles.

    TRYTH
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,148 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks TRUTH; Michael, and all others. THAT'S the info I was looking for. I think I'll pass on this one.

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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    Im with Michael


    OH MICHAEL THANKS FOR THE BOOK,, YOU GOT ME COLLECTING PEACE MEDALS NOW image
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  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    you are most welcome bill! i am glad you got the book! it is a rare tome!

    also i agree with truth! i have heard a rumor about what truth was talking about and thanks TRUTH! that was a great informative post

    sincerely michael
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