even Trolls learn a little here - E-bay auction

its4real

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See? I listen

kieferscoins

<< <i> I also used a pressure washer on this coin in my driveway to clean it up a little. >>



Thats great! Now the drunken tavern friends I don't know.

Cameron Kiefer

nwcs

Definitely better pictures. I still think it's AU Cleaned.

IndianHeadMan

That's actually a well posted item.

MartyF

That's pretty funny

goyankeez

Nice clear pictures of obverse and reverse.
Low open and no reserve.
Reasonable shipping and handling charges.
Your opinion stated in description (and "opinion" spelled out).
A bit of humor.

That's how it's done. Good job!!

goose3

now THAT is pretty darn good!

dorkkarl

i like it!

K S

MadMarty

ROTFLMAO!!!

No bad!!!

tjkillian

I like to too. Good clear pictures. I would say, if someone asked, that it appears to have been cleaned. Also, I would state how long your return policy is.

Tom

MAULUMALL

Bravo................

coolcoinz

cool

Rotts

Good job

danglen

Big change, you're on the right track

MAULUMALL

its4real
I got your PM but for some reson I can't reply.....Must be an AOL thing.To answer your ? I am not sure but I think that you are correct.You should ask the board. They can give you an answer.

1jester

Welcome, coolcoinz!

1jester

Funny listing. Nice coin? Yes. Cleaned? Yes. Au-53? I'll take it for $1.25.

its4real

okay - I can't stand it any longer....

What, pray tell, is "IMO"? What does it stand for?

Just another newbie question, that's all...

braddick

"IMO" In My Opinion.
Also: IMHO: In My Humble Opinion.

-Hope this info helps.

coinguy1

its4real - "IMO" stands for "in my opinion", which is really somewhat redundant, as that's pretty much what we're all giving!

andy007

In My Opinion

CalGold

Still contains the following misleading statements and omissions:

1. Mint State in the description -- notwithstanding "opinion" that it is AU 58. And IMO your opinion is overgrading--in other words it doesn't look like a 58. A 58 is usually MS with "rub" rather than wear. Yours has wear.

2. May grade less than MS due to marks on Liberty's face. The reason it will grade less than MS is that it has wear! The marks on Liberty's face would only lower the MS grade.

3. What does "satisfaction guaranteed" mean? What is your return policy? How many days to reutrn? How much of refund?

By the way, you mentioned that you were or still are a licensed securites, insurance and real estate salesman. Why are your former professions heavily regulated with licensing requriements etc? Could it be because of deceptive sales practices and lack of full disclosure? Those practices are rampant in the coin biz and on ebay in particular where anyone with a coin can become an instant dealer. Many posters on this board have been burned in the past and are very very sensitive to the issues, as you can (or should be able) to tell. Morever, even if a seller accepts a return and gives a full refund, it is a real inconvenience to have to go to the trouble of sending something back that you would not have purchased had full and fair disclosure been made prior to the sale.

I cannot speak for others, but I will accept the trouble of returning a coin that does not look as good in person as in a photo, since that is a to be expected occurrence and sometimes I might decide that it is worth the effort and expense to take a look. But that is quite different than lack of disclosure of problems known to the seller that do not appear on a scan (and I am not accusing you of those, just making a more general point) or being too loosy goosy with hype or grade estimates. IMO it is a fairer and more ethical presentation to post a fair photo, that shows the condition of the coin, and say nothing about its condition, in an as is no refunds sale, than to add in hype that may misleade a buyer even if you give a return privilege.

mrdq

ACG -- ACcu-Grade. Grading service. Controversial at present, because the assigned grades
seem to be inflated relative to standard services like PCGS and NGC.
aF (VG10) -- about Fine. Grade.
AFAIK -- As Far As I Know. Internet phrase.
AG (AG3) -- About Good. Grade.
ANA -- American Numismatic Association. Collector and dealer organization.
ANACS -- (originally) American Numismatic Association Certification Service. Grading
service. It has since been sold to a company independent of the ANA.
AU (AU50, AU53, AU55, AU58) -- About Uncirculated. Grade.
aVF (F15?) -- about Very Fine. Grade.
aXF (VF35?) -- about Extremely Fine. Grade.
B# (B1-B10?) -- Browning number (1925). Die variety - Bust Quarters, 1796-1838.
B# (B1-B23?) Bolender number (1950, 1998). Die variety - Silver Dollars, 1794-1803.
BB# (BB1-BBn?) -- Bowers and Borckardt number (1993). Die variety - Silver Dollars,
1794-1804 and later.
BG# (BG101-BG1313) -- Breen and Gillio number (1983). Die variety - California private
gold, 1852-1882.
BIN -- Buy It Now. eBay (www.ebay.com) phrase.
BN -- Brown. Color grade for uncirculated copper coins (BN, RB, or RD).
BTW -- By The Way. Internet phrase.
BU (MS60?) -- Brilliant Uncirculated. Vague Grade.
BV -- Bullion Value. The value of the coin is closely related to its metallic content
(usually silver or gold).
C -- Charlotte (North Carolina). Mintmark, 1838-61, gold coins only.
C# (C1-C23?) -- Cohen number (1982). Die variety - Half Cents, 1793-1857.
CC -- Carson City (Nevada). Mintmark, 1870-93, gold and silver coins only.
CMM# (CMM1-CMM13?) -- Cohen, Munson, Munde number (1971). Die variety - Half Cents,
1793-1857.
CSDG -- California Small Denomination Gold.
CW -- Coin World. Publication.
D -- Dahlonega (Georgia). Mintmark, 1838-61, gold coins only.
D -- Denver (Colorado). Mintmark, 1906-.
DC (DCAM) -- Deep Cameo. High grade proof.
DDO -- Doubled Die Obverse. Type of die variety.
DDR -- Doubled Die Reverse. Type of die variety.
DMPL -- Deep Mirror Proof Like. Business strike, with deep mirrored planchet.
EAC -- Early American Coppers, Inc. Collector and dealer organization.
EF (EF40, EF45) -- Extremely Fine. Grade.
F (F12, F15) -- Fine. Grade.
FA -- For Auction. Internet phrase.
FAQ -- Frequently Asked Question. List of such questions and answers. Internet phrase.
FS# (FS1-FS?) -- Fivaz and Stanton number (19xx). Die variety - many series.
FS -- For Sale. Internet phrase.
FWIW -- For What It's Worth. Internet phrase.
FYI -- For Your Information. Internet phrase.
G (G4, G6) -- Good. Grade.
GMM -- Gallery Mint Museum. A current producer of replicas of early US coins.
HTH -- Hope This Helps. Internet phrase.
ICGS -- Independent Coin Grading Service. Grading service.
IIRC -- If I Recall Correctly. Internet phrase.
IMHO -- In My Humble Opinion. Internet phrase.
IMO -- In My Opinion. Internet phrase.
ISO -- In Search Of. Internet phrase.
J# (J1-J1778?) -- Judd number (1959-77). Pattern or experimental coin.
JR# (JR1-JR13?) -- John Reich number (Davis, et al, 1984). Die variety - Bust Dimes,
1794-1837.
KM# (KM1-KM?) -- Krause and Mishler number. From Standard Catalog of World Coins. Type of
world coin. Includes California, Mormon, Colorado, Hawaii.
LOL -- Little Old Lady. (Possibly) naive customer/seller. Objectionable term; included
here because of the other LOL.
LOL -- Laughing Out Loud. Internet phrase.
MS (MS60-MS70) -- Mint State. (Uncirculated, business strike). Grade.
N# (N1-N17?) -- Newcomb number (1944). Die variety - Large Cents, 1816-1868.
N# (N1-N105?) -- Newman number (1952). Die variety - Fugio Cents, 1787.
NARU -- Not A Registered User (implies account terminated due to violation of rules).
EBay(www.ebay.com) phrase.
NC -- Not Collectable. A unique or nearly unique coin. Usually one of Sheldon's die
varieties of Large Cents. At the time of Sheldon's "Penny Whimsey" (1958),
for a coin to be NC, there had to be less than 3 specimens known.
NGC -- Numismatic Guarantee Corporation. Grading service.
NLG -- Numismatic Literary Guild. A prestigious organization of writers of numismatically
related articles, books, etc.
NN -- Numismatic News. Publication.
NTC -- Numistrust Corporation. Grading service. (relatively new, reputation unknown)
O# (O101-O128?) -- Overton number (1970). Die variety - Bust Half Dollars, 1794-1836.
OMM -- Over MintMark. Two different mintmarks involved. (versus RPM, which is the same
mintmark punched more than once). Type of die variety.
OT -- Off Topic. Internet phrase.
OTOH -- On The Other Hand. Internet phrase.
P -- Philadelphia (Pennsylvania). Mintmark, 1942-45 (5c only), 1979- (all but 1c).
Sometimes denotes absence of mintmark.
PCGS -- Professional Coin Grading Service. Grading service.
PCI -- Photo-certified Coin Institute. Grading service.
PF (PF60-PF70) -- Proof. Type of coin production and/or Grade. Contrasts with business
strike.
PL -- Proof Like. Business strike, with mirrored planchet.
PNG -- Professional Numismatists Guild. Dealer organization.
PQ -- Premium Quality. Sometimes part of the sealed slab grade, such as a MS64 PQ
(not quite good enough for MS65). Often it is just a hype adjective like "Choice" or
"Select".
PR (PR60-PR70) -- Proof. Type of coin production and/or Grade. Contrasts with business
strike.
PVC -- Poly Vinyl Chloride. An ingredient of soft plastic "flip" coin holders which will
damage coins over time.
R# (R1-R8)
Rarity scale. R1 most common; R8 least common. The often used Sheldon scale is:
R8 = 1-3 known (estimated), "Unique or Nearly Unique"
R7 = 4-12 known, "Extremely Rare"
R6 = 13-30 known, "Very Rare"
R5 = 31-75 known, "Rare"
R4 = 76-200 known, "Very Scarce"
R3 = 201-500 known, "Scarce"
R2 = 501-1250 known, "Uncommon"
R1 = over 1251 known, "Common"
RB -- Red-Brown. Color grade for uncirculated copper coins (BN, RB, or RD).
RD -- Red. Color grade for uncirculated copper coins (BN, RB, or RD).
RIC -- Roman Imperial Coinage.
ROFL -- Rolling On the Floor Laughing. Internet phrase.
RPC -- Roman Provincial Coinage.
RPD -- RePunched Date. Type of die variety.
RPM -- RePunched Mintmark. Type of die variety.
RSC -- Roman Silver Coinage.
S -- San Francisco (California). Mintmark, 1854-1955, 1968-.
S# (S1-S295?) -- Sheldon number (1949). Die variety - Large Cents, 1793-1814.
S# (S1-S9?) -- Snow number (1992). Die variety - Flying Eagle and Indian Head Cents,
1856-1909.
SEGS -- Sovereign Entities Grading Service. Grading service.
SP -- Specimen. Better than business strike, but not quite a proof.
TIA -- Thanks In Advance. Internet phrase.
TTFN -- Ta Ta For Now. Internet phrase.
UC (UCAM) -- Ultra Cameo. High grade proof.
UNC (Unc., MS60?) -- Uncirculated. Grade.
V# (V1-V10?) -- Valentine number (1975). Die variety - Half Dimes, 1794-1873.
VAM# (VAM1-VAM230?) -- Van Allen and Mallis number (1976). Die variety - Morgan Dollars,
1878-1921.
VG (VG8, VG10) -- Very Good. Grade.
VF (VF20, VF30, perhaps VF35) -- Very Fine. Grade.
W -- West Point (New York). Mintmark, 1984-.
WTB -- Wanted To Buy. Internet phrase.
XF (XF40, XF45) -- eXtremely Fine. Grade.
YMMV -- Your Mileage May Vary. Internet phrase.

its4real

WOW - a wealth of info which I printed FFR *







*For future Reference :-)

WWBillman

I really do not feel you have learned anything, just like your auction its all just a joke to you.

HuliganRS

Nice list...

lordmarcovan

Whew! He's 4real after all- just yanking people's chains.

MUCH better. LOL. I see Bear couldn't resist it.

Your parody skills are coming along- but they still have a way to go...

The pressure washer thing was pretty good, though. I didn't think of that one.

zenny

LM

hadn't seen that one, just brilliant. thanks for the laffs.

this thread is the ultimate example of turning doo doo into, well into funnier doo doo.

MartyF

LM:
That is THE classic of funny auctions.....if you don't mind, I'm gunna' save it for future laughs

coindaughter

Lordmarcovan
I couldn't stop giggling! OH, my! Too funny! Thanks!

dakra

Ya See... and I thought he just went bonkers!
Now I see he went bonkers and let us know about it!

-Dave

Coppernicus

Lordmarcovan has yet to be topped!!! IMHO, its4real needs to take his maturity pill on a more regular basis...don't skimp on the dosage...

Coppernicus