Sales, life, and a bunch a jerks
its4real
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I have been around. I have sold a lot of things in a lot of different markets.
I've sold stocks, bonds,Fannie Maes, Ginnie Maes, IPO's, insurance, annuities, houses, condos, you name it.
I have NEVER sold coins....but I will tell you one thing.,...EVERYTHING I have EVER sold before was regulated by a government agency that oversaw the liscensing of the people who sold each and every one of these things. That's right - I've been a licensed securities dealer, a real estate broker and an insurance broker. Still am.
Never, in all of the years that I have had to OWN the priveledge of a license to sell, have I EVER been accused of lying, cheating, misrepresentation, falsifying, misinterpretation, or any of the things that I have been accused of in this forum.
You people would ALL be very happy sitting on an Salem, Massachusetts trial. It would be right up your alley - just the kind of deal you would enjoy! :-)
If you want a standard - then make one. Do not EVER appoint a possee to do your dirty work. If you want to require standards and licensing for people to sell coins - then by all means - institute one. If you want to set up a school and a test that must be passed for people to be considered "knowledgeable" - by all means - DO IT.
But - (and this is for all of the large fat butts that just sit at computers and type).
NEVER, EVER, condemn, or condone the condemning of people trying to learn a trade or a skill.
That is not only assinine - it is also self defeating. Soon - there will be no one to continue your so called hobby forum because you have been asses and run them all off. I have read at least 3 posts of newcomers in the last 4 days who have left these boards because a bunch of you JERKS - you know who you are - have been beligerent as$&%$#s to them.
Now -
I have a VERY thick skin and won't put up with anything without a very long, protracted fight. But - most people will just think you folks are a bunch of jerks and leave. Gee - what a way to gain knowledge! What a way to gain insight! If someone disagrees - just hurl insult after insult and line after line until they get fed up and leave! Yeah go! Get im! That will REALLY swell the ranks of the informed!
You know who you are: want me to name you? Kids? Immature immebeciles? You think the ONLY thing that's important is COIN KNOWLEDGE? You will soon find that PEOPLE SKILLS are much more important for your life - but then - LIFE will have to tell you that - I surely cannot. You will find that all of your so-called friends will walk away when the chips - woops I meant coins - are down because of YOUR past behavior. You will LEARN THIS - I cannot do anything but warn you of what is to come your way.
I just hope that it's gentle when it happens to you.
WE know how you are.
I've sold stocks, bonds,Fannie Maes, Ginnie Maes, IPO's, insurance, annuities, houses, condos, you name it.
I have NEVER sold coins....but I will tell you one thing.,...EVERYTHING I have EVER sold before was regulated by a government agency that oversaw the liscensing of the people who sold each and every one of these things. That's right - I've been a licensed securities dealer, a real estate broker and an insurance broker. Still am.
Never, in all of the years that I have had to OWN the priveledge of a license to sell, have I EVER been accused of lying, cheating, misrepresentation, falsifying, misinterpretation, or any of the things that I have been accused of in this forum.
You people would ALL be very happy sitting on an Salem, Massachusetts trial. It would be right up your alley - just the kind of deal you would enjoy! :-)
If you want a standard - then make one. Do not EVER appoint a possee to do your dirty work. If you want to require standards and licensing for people to sell coins - then by all means - institute one. If you want to set up a school and a test that must be passed for people to be considered "knowledgeable" - by all means - DO IT.
But - (and this is for all of the large fat butts that just sit at computers and type).
NEVER, EVER, condemn, or condone the condemning of people trying to learn a trade or a skill.
That is not only assinine - it is also self defeating. Soon - there will be no one to continue your so called hobby forum because you have been asses and run them all off. I have read at least 3 posts of newcomers in the last 4 days who have left these boards because a bunch of you JERKS - you know who you are - have been beligerent as$&%$#s to them.
Now -
I have a VERY thick skin and won't put up with anything without a very long, protracted fight. But - most people will just think you folks are a bunch of jerks and leave. Gee - what a way to gain knowledge! What a way to gain insight! If someone disagrees - just hurl insult after insult and line after line until they get fed up and leave! Yeah go! Get im! That will REALLY swell the ranks of the informed!
You know who you are: want me to name you? Kids? Immature immebeciles? You think the ONLY thing that's important is COIN KNOWLEDGE? You will soon find that PEOPLE SKILLS are much more important for your life - but then - LIFE will have to tell you that - I surely cannot. You will find that all of your so-called friends will walk away when the chips - woops I meant coins - are down because of YOUR past behavior. You will LEARN THIS - I cannot do anything but warn you of what is to come your way.
I just hope that it's gentle when it happens to you.
WE know how you are.
"spare change? Nahhhhh...never have any...sold it all on E-bay..."
see? My Auctions "Got any 1800's gold?"
see? My Auctions "Got any 1800's gold?"
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Dave
This post is only directed at 8 people - not you. lets see if they want to "play"
Its4Real
see? My Auctions "Got any 1800's gold?"
Nothing else to do tonight except find fault? (or look for it) You really should get a life. Sitting in front of your computer for hours and watching "Conspiracy Theory" 142 times has got you coockoo
But, ya know, if I wanted to sit around finding fault, I could do that but it's not a HOBBY of mine. One of yours?
see? My Auctions "Got any 1800's gold?"
Sheesh!! Take a pill!!
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The problem is, its4real, is that you are counting on your buyers to be as naive about the product as you are. The trouble is that, like collectors of almost anything, they are not naive. They are very knowledgable. The glitzy "ad" as you call it is not going to sell the coin. The coin is going to sell the coin.
If you would take some time to learn about your product, you would become confident enough to buy and sell...well, confidently. You come off brash and arrogant, and though you've sold real estate, securities, etc, etc, (and probably very well) you haven't sold coins, and frankly you don't know squat about them.
Take some time first. Buy some books. Stick around and ask questions. But when you don't like the answer, don't be so fast to murder the messenger. And please, don't play anyone for a fool!
Respectfully,
CD
I think Coindaughter gave you some great advice. She's a smart lady!!!!
is this even close to the debate??? i haven't been following any thread involving "its4real", so maybe i'm way off base here. but i do think this forum would become a more valuable tool if a little more respect for each other's opinions were given.
K S
Even though the message may be correct, it's lost due to you delivering it.
peacockcoins
K S
By the way I could care less whether you sold condos, vacuums, or boats, who cares.
Walt
I would agree that your observations are somewhat correct, but your just feeding the ones you want to expose with your cynicisms.
Everyone knows who the die-hard cruel posters are, and after a while you accept it as part of their personalities. Even these posters offer GEMS of knowledge every so often if you dig through the negative post and flames.
Lurk, read, and learn. Mistakes in this business are very expensive especially when there are so many good collectors and dealers out in the business willing to help ALL the time.
Just food for thought and good luck.
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its4real, you have some growing up to do. Please return when you have developed a reasonable attitude.
people and their ideas. We also tend to assume the worst when look-
ing at others motivation. I think we'd do better to lower the heat a
little.
Welcome Coolcoinz. Good luck.
Perhaps you don't see it, but perhaps the "fat butts" are teaching you a thing or two about the coin industry. Self reliance might be a good first step.
You post a coin here, you expect people here to grade it, so you can throw it up on an auction. We are doing your work for you. Not only are we doing the work for you but you state in the auction that the discussion on the coin board states it grades an (ie.) MS65 even though most opinions graded it lower. In essence, we are helping you fleece the public.
Like you have done in Real Estate, why not learn about the coin industry before bashing everyone. If you could see opinions other than your own, that might be a big help. Learn a little about the industry, learn about grading, if you want an opinion on grading, send the coin to get graded.
If you do not like the response you have received here, then why do you keep coming back? Has the thought ever occured to you that it might be your personality that is making people so upset?
I'm trying to be impartial but you make that hard to do, especially after the Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde messages.
Peace
David
what i'd like to know is this-----was the "apology" you offered of your own volition or did you perhaps receive a "nudge from the judge" in the form of an e-mail from carol asking you to kindly settle down or risk the route of others such as the beloved coincobbler?
i beleive people can change but your post lends credence to the saying that a leopard can't change it's spots. same anger, same know-it-all prideful arrogance, the same taking-to-task of all those who call you on your BS and on and on and on.........
..........with the added strong possibility of a psuedo its4real poster. do us all a favor. open up your profile so we can see where you're at, who you are and put an end to a lot of the shady questions concerning you and eBay and all the rest of your attepmts to slide in here. of course you could use option "B" which is to just go away, not mad, but just go away!!
al h.
all in all though, i think most of the discussions are good and insightful (not inciteful). much better than the "other" forums. kudos to coin-universe on that one,
K S
Its4real came on the boards with this thread.
Then he put the coin on auction and showed everyone.
Then, he issued an apology.
And then posted another couple auctions.
There was a lot more in there, including its4real advertising his auctions here etc etc.
Now, and that brings us here!
I hope that this kind of message is OK here. I don't know whether to keep fanning the flames or not, but dorkkarl seemed to be in such distress!
(edited to say there was more)
Alot of the folks on these forums sell coins. But, the overall impression I get is that they are all Collectors first. They love coins. If they also happen to sell them, I think in most cases they got started in sales due to their love for the hobby.
its4real seems to be approaching coins purely from the sales angle. While many here have offered suggestions on how to become more knowledgeable by reading, etc... its4real is still concentrating on how to make a better ad. If its4real never develops an interest in the hobby, it will continue to show in his comments here. I think that's what everyone is picking up on... whether they realize it or not.
its4real, I'm not trying earn a place on your "list", but maybe your interest in coins is in conflict with what these forums are here for. Perhaps you would be happier posting in an eBay sales forum. I'm sure there's an appropriate one out there.
Clark
The advise I give you right now is the best you'll ever get...... stop these kind of threads and go with the flow.
However, if you want to run sleazey auctions, just do whatever you want to. If you do run deceptive auctions and you don't want to hear negative comments from this board, just go away and don't read these threads anymore.
The auction sellers that repeatedly run misleading ads don't care what the people here think, and they get lots of sales.
The only danger you'll face is if an auction looks to be an outright fraud, then someone here may notify Ebay of it.
Ray
I apologize. I too, used the term "estate" in an Ebay ad and I hated to use it after I had chastised everybody about it. After that auction, I decided never to use any of those terms again, even though they were truthful.
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The problem with its4real is that he isn't using these boards to gain knowledge for himself. He's using the board members as graders and then using what they say in his advertising for his ebay sales. I've posted coins here and asked for opinions, but I've never used those opinions to 'pimp' the coin. With his apology and the posts afterward, his personality seems to swing like a pendulum. I believe these two facts are what have boardmembers upset.
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I've sold stocks, bonds,Fannie Maes, Ginnie Maes, IPO's, insurance, annuities, houses, condos, you name it. Why have you sold so many items? Do you have trouble keeping a job and bounce around like a ping pong ball? Must be your personality mood swings.
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No one else would be given FOUR chances on this board. So, Hasta La Vista, Baby!
P.S. If this clown is allowed to continue here I would suggest a concerted effort by all to ignore and do not feed the troll!!
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(and just in case you're wondering who this is directed at, it is directed at anyone interested in assisting "jerks" on this board to come to their senses. It is too easy for cowards, know it alls and idiots to hide behind their monitors and yank peoples' chains. But, in addition to the losers who post here, are some fine people. You just have to ignore the idiots or else be needlessly affected by them.)
a part of this Forum and as such should understand how it really works.
Sure, some people are more caustic then they should be and yes there is more sillyness then is necessary.
Those of us who have been around a while , make allowances for all of these shortcomings, as
we wish people to forgive our own shortcomings. Sometimes the most critical people, have the most insightful and
informative comments for our edification.
Sometimes we need a good blast of constructive criticism, but it should never come out of the blue
with no rhyme or reason.
. I respect opinions on this Forum even when I disagree with them. When I lose my temper I
apologize. When I choose to be critical ,then a little humour and gentle chiding will suffice. If we are a community
of differing personalities, then we must make the conscious effort to get along with one another.
I have found that this Forum has more kindness and concern for others then exists in the real world. If its
perfection we seek, I am afraid that will have to wait untill we ascend to the gates of heaven(If we are lucky).
A very disappointed little bear!!!!!
Camelot
To the point of forgetting that it is a hobby. It's a bit more lighthearted and fun over on the "Dark Side" (the World coin forum), but even there, or anywhere in the marketplace, there is one thing to remember:
This might be just a hobby, a gentle pastime, a mere diversion. However, a whole bunch of money rides on these little discs of metal- real money. Hard earned money. Even a small difference in seller-stated grade and actual, accepted grade in the market can mean dozens, hundreds, thousands, or even tens of thousands of dollars.
This is why if you are selling coins, you have a responsibility to learn how to grade them in at least a close resemblance of accepted standards. For low-grade, circulated coins, this is pretty easy. The standards in the ANA Grading book and in Photograde, etc., are pretty close to one another. In the ultimate, high grades, where thousands can ride on one microscopic grade point not visible to the layman's eye, the grading services reign supreme, and PCGS is the king of the hill, for US coins, anyway.
You did bring up a point: this industry is not regulated. There is no single system of standards that carries the weight of law. Herein lies the problem. Grading has been and always will be a matter of opinion.
BUT- differences of opinion between one ore two grade points is one thing- differences of thirty or forty or more points is another entirely. The ANA (American Numismatic Association) standards were, and possibly are, the unwritten, semi-official standards of the industry. When the grading services like PCGS and NGC entered the marketplace in the 1980's, the waters got a little clouder, but overall, third-party grading was a great boon to the collector of expensive rare coins. It protected the less-knowledgeable or sight-unseen buyer from the ridiculous claims of greedy sellers who would overgrade to line their own pockets.
This is one reason that ACG ("Accugrade") is so reviled and hated in the industry- their standards- if in fact they have any- are so far out of whack with the rest of the market. Now this should not be a problem- opinions are opinions, right?
Wrong. It is a problem; a big problem... and I'll tell you why.
Suppose little Granny Jenkins wants to "invest" her nest egg in some coins, to pass on to her children and grandchildren. She selects the Peace dollar, because she spent those as a little girl, and they're pretty. She buys a few 1923's- a common date, which just happens to be her birthyear. These are in plastic slabs, and one is "certified" to be "MS67" by Accugrade. With a name like Accugrade, she feels secure- her coin is a certified MS67 worth in the neighborhood of $4,500- and she got it for only $2,500- so she feels good.
How good do you think she'll feel when she discovers that ACG "MS67" is really an MS63 by anyone else's standards?
Four teeny little points, on a 70-point scale. No big deal, right?
Wrong. A 1923 Peace dollar is a $4,500 coin in MS67 (if certified by an accepted major service like PCGS or NGC). In MS63, no matter what the Accugrade holder says, it is a $25 coin in the marketplace.
That's right! Thousands of dollars for only four points! The layman might not even be able to tell the difference. Heck, most collectors and dealers can tell an MS63 from an MS67, but not an MS66 from an MS68. Take the 1943 steel Lincoln cent. Worth a dollar or two in the low Minst State grades, $27 in MS65, $79 in MS67. Jump from MS67 to MS68 (again, only if PCGS or NGC certified) and it becomes a $600-800 coin, depending on whom you ask. That's an exponential leap for one tiny point. Ridiculous though it may seem, people will pay those hundreds of dollars extra for their coin to be that much more perfect.
Have I made any sense here, its4real? I think you are someone who knows how to listen to sense, and I know you mean well and were probably ridiculed a bit excessively over those Indian cents you were selling last night. Folks do not always have a sense of humor if they think you are trying to rip off the unwary. Their "people skills" may not be good enough to (politely) tell you you're doing wrong- they are just gonna laugh, or shout, at you.
I would recommend you get yourself a copy of the ANA grading guide and use it. It will serve you well. I can even help you find one, or might have an extra copy lying around here in the clutter. Then you can live up to your nickname, and be "4 real".
Your overgrading on those Indians last night, recalling the pictures from memory, was something like this: you were calling coins that graded approximately F12 at best "Mint". The word "Mint", as in Mint State, as you were inferring those coins to be, implies a grade of MS60 or higher. Do the math. What is the difference between 60 and 12? 48 points! See the light? If you had called an AU58 an MS60, nobody would have laughed. They might have disagreed, but we all miss a little rub and call an AU coin MS from time to time. Yours had more than a little rub.
If you stick to ANA standards, you might still have minor differences of opinion with others about the grading of your coins- but not 40-point spreads that get you laughed at (or worse, flamed, or even called a liar or thief!). We all quibble over 5 or even 10 grading points at times, but any differences greater than that and the seller begins to look shady, if you know what I mean...
1 looks to me like its4real's ebay ads state HIS OPINION on some grades, then puts up pretty nice scans so you can draw YOUR OPINION. surprise surprise, opinions just might differ! i have an exceedingly strong opinion that the second ihc was NOT ms-60, even by pcgs standards, and that disagrees with the seller's opinoin, but hey, i respect what its4real's thinks.
2 agree that the boards ought not to be a primary source of advertising, but FROM WHAT I SAW of coindaughter's links, i didn't exactly see a mega-blitz mulit-media advertising campaign going on here. were there other compaign blitzes launched by its4real that didn't appear in coindaughter's links???
3 so from what's been said in my response to this thread, i really think the problem is nobody has stated FACTS, but a lot of emotions have run high and fingers pointed. suggestion: everyone settle down for a minute, and let's politely ask its4real to present his case in a concise, objective fashion. then, lets address issues one by one. i've been around long enough to know that any other approach is liable to wind up nowhere.
whaddya think?
K S
the issue i take with all the acg bashing has nothign to do w/ how i feel about their grading. in my OPINION, i find myself very frequently in disagreement w/ them. HOWEVER, what i don't like is the instant pronouncement by everyone that every single dealer selling acg stuff is a scam artist. HOW do you (not you personaly, but anyone making such an accusation) know this??? PROVE that folks have been ripped off, w/out imaginary "granny jerkins" scenarios. get facts, please! THAT is how you combat somehting which you feel is wrong, not by making accusations that get someone else on a bandwagon, but which have ZERO proof.
NOT trying to slam you in any way, shape or form. just trying to point out to EVERYONE that just because you disagree w/ someone's opinoin, etc., does NOT make them a scam, or rip-off artists, or whatever. if you feel something's wrong, FIRST point out with concrete facts what was the wrong that took place. then, we can all communicate on a solid footing.
K S
I agree with Coindaughter, Irish Mike and others about 4real's posts. First, I don't see the relevance of stating that because a person has experience in several regulated sectors that that experience is relevant to selling coins. Secondly, while there are some members of this forum who appear to flame excessively, and may be perceived as even cruel by some, my experience is that there is a tremendous wealth of knowledge, insight, and business acumen available on this forum. As someone who has collected for over 50 years, and feels he knows quite a bit about a subset of the US coin field, I can readily admit that I am continually amazed by the wealth of knowledge available here - I learn something new every time I access this forum, even when I've been thoroughly flamed by some members. Additionally, there are members who moderate the discussions and ensure that the threads are brought back to an acceptable level of civility and decorum.
After reading the 4real threads and examining some of the products that were offered on eBay (particularly the Indian Head cents), it seems obvious to me that 4real needs to learn a great deal more about coins and coin grading. I believe it is acceptable to complain about flaming responses and a lack of civility in those responses. However, if one is really trying to learn the craft, then one should be willing to look beyond the tone of the response to the possible knowledge that it may contain. I am personally upset by the actions of 4real to use this forum as a marketing tool. Most members of the forum seem to adhere strongly to the position that it is wrong to lie, cheat, or steal - and the forum provides an excellent alternative to much of the unethical and unprofessional behavior that all too many of us are aware of in the coin market.
For me personally, this is the best source of information currently available on US coins, for the collector and the dealer. The wealth of information available here is one reason that I keep coming back, and continue learning about this wonderful hobby. Yes, the forum could improve in some areas, but its own self-vigilance gives me continued encouragement that improvement will and does take place.
4Real, in my opinion, if you cannot learn from the wisdom available here, and are not willing to objectively examine the opinions about your behavior that forum members have posted, then perhaps you should move on; go back to selling in a "regulated" environment, and seriously examine your own motives for the postings you have made. 4Real; "Me thinks thou doth protest too much".
Thank you for your attention.
My opinion about accugrade is that they are the worst of the worst. The dealers who sell this trash know what it is and try to pawn it off to the trusting collectors as serious grading. It's a sham and any dealer who sells it should be ashamed of themselves. They know what they are doing. We can't bash them enough. Selling ACG coins is dishonest, deceitful and poor business for the future of the hobby.
Disclaimer--some people do sell ACG holders and say the coin is overgraded. I think that is acceptable.
Thank you for providing some sound, level-headed and objective commentary. I find it quite refreshing. The facts are needed, not the high emotions and finger pointing.
Tonekiller is right. We all know who the caustic, blow-hard "attacking eight" are and their opinions have no credibility with a vast majority of the Members. They seem to get some fulfillment from belittling others.
Its4real, let some of this go. Perhaps, you would be wise to observe lots of auctions for Certified coins, get an idea for certain coins' worth, bid on lots of coins and buy some bargains. You can then place them at auction on Ebay with an initial bid higher than your purchase price and a brief, accurate description. You can begin to build a little money that way. In the mean time, you can learn some grading skills by studying the Certified coins, prior to selling them. I'm sure you felt overwhelmed by the "attacking eight" and you need to let it go. The vast, vast majority of Ebay buyers DON'T read this forum and couldn't give a darn what someone says about your auctions.
And again- we come to the very true point that grading is all opinion. Whose opinion counts the most? I'm sure you know the saying about opinions: they're like @$$holes. Everyone has one, and they all stink. It's all hot air: PCGS, NGC, ACG, ANA, Photograde, whatever. A cacophonous babel of chaotic, bewildering nonsense, for those who want to view it that way.
For me, personally, I will stick with the most accepted standards in the marketplace, and try to keep my grading in line with that. If ANACS suddenly became the #1 service and held that slot for long enough, I would consider them the authority. (ACG could never be #1- they're too inconsistent). If Billy Joe Bob's Grading Service suddenly became the industry standard, so be it. The point here is recognition- who has the most widely recognized standard?
A dealer is perfectly free to grade coins to any standard he likes- he can call it "MS500 Gem Flashbright", or whatever he wants to make up. But if the majority views it as a plain old VF20, then he's gonna get laughed at. Majority rules. We do need one standard. It'll never happen, though.
I have just read the posts written by you and responses to them, since you joined the board.
As an experiment, I computed the average grade assigned by board members to your 1885 silver dollar (not that people, no matter how expert at grading, can typically grade accurately from images). Here are the results:
opinion 1) 63-65 (I counted that as a 64)
opinion 2) 64
opinion 3) 64+ (I counted that as 64.5)
opinion 4) 63
opinion 5) 63-64 (I counted that as 63.5)
opinion 6) 63 at best (I gave the benefit of the doubt and counted that as a 63)
opinion 7) 64
opinion 8) 63
opinion 9) 63
opinion 10) 63
opinion 11) at least 63, maybe 65 (I counted that as a 64)
opinion 12 63+ (I counted that as 63.5)
opinion 13) 64
opinion 14) 63
opinion 15) 63 or nice 58 (I gave the benefit of the doubt and counted that as a 63)
opinion 16) 64
opinion 17 ) 63+ (I counted that as a 63.5)
opinion 18) 63-64 (I counted that as 63.5)
Total points 1143.5 divided by 18 = 63.527
Yet, I see that your auction description read: " This coin would easily grade PCGS MS-65. Most of the forum discussion boards have graded it as a 64+ on average"
It was extremely sloppy, reckless, or worse, for you to make that claim after receiving those opinions and considering you know virtually nothing about grading. That, along with your posts, leads me to believe, that even if some board members were harsh, you brought it on yourself and you have no credibility.
If you do not like something leave, your causticness will win you no friends.
It's a HOBBY!
Camelot
<< <i>" This coin would easily grade PCGS MS-65. Most of the forum discussion boards have graded it as a 64+ on average" >>
Did he really add that to the auctions? I thought he was a somewhat less-knowledgeable numismatist who needed a little learning but was not a bad guy.
If that is a direct quote from his auction, I will change my opinion of him and be proud to call myself one of the "attacking 8", as I am sure I was included in that total.
<< <i>" This coin would easily grade PCGS MS-65. Most of the forum discussion boards have graded it as a 64+ on average" >>
Its4real, if you really said that in an auction, I am afraid I'll have to put you in my troll category (most trolls don't give a damn about this, anyway). That little quote, if true, crosses the line into outright misrepresentation, since you are making all of us unwilling accomplices in your overstated grading. I wanted to believe the best of you, and laugh it off. I've been accused of being too polite sometimes. If you really care, I think you should pull those auctions or correct the misrepresentations- especially the phony quotes from us. If you don't care, then we're all just blowing smoke and you can laugh at us like the rest of the trolls. Troll or 4real- it's your choice.
I would think, with your experience in trading in other marketplaces, that you would have some concern for your own reputation.
EDIT: I went back and looked at your auctions, and the two I clicked on seemed fair enough and unobjectionable to me. I didn't see that quote, which would be ridiculous if attached to the Indian cents.
At the very least, you've gotten a bunch of us to look at your auctions. What a clever marketing ploy!
Go in peace- you are not on my troll list until proven guilty. In fact, I do respect some of the points you've brought up about opinions. It's been a good debate. I'll bet you are secretly laughing at the controversy, eh? Have fun, yank our chain a little, but don't turn into a total troll on us, though, OK?
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So beautiful for the eye to behold...
This is a NO RESERVE auction for a SUPERB, Mint State coin.
This is a 1885 Morgan dollar which I have submitted to various collectable forum chat boards for opinion. This coin would easily grade PCGS MS-65. Most of the forum discussion boards have graded it as a 64+ on average.
You can be the judge. Here is a very high res scan of the obverse:
And here is the reverse:
Take careful note of the extremely clear fields, the crisp details, the even album toning on the reverse, and the original mint luster. This coin is VERY pleasing, with unusual eye appeal.
You may bid with confidence. I have been buying and selling on e-bay for quite some time and have ZERO negative feedback.
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