Ok Guys I need a little help from the board PLEASE HELP

vittleboy

ttt

NickM

I have news for everyone who says that a year listing means the first half of a split-year card: No, it doesn't.
PSA lists the cards by the first year on them.
Example: the first Fleer set (1986-87) has its cards listed as 1986 Fleer on the holder. If someone advertises a 1987 Fleer, they're probably talking about the 1987-88 Fleer.
1986 Jordan PSA 10
Many other individuals and companies selling or trading cards also list the card by the first year of the season in which the set came out.
If pacmans is consistently listing his cards by the first year on split-year cards, he is within common hobby practice. There is no consensus to list the Kobe/KG card as an '02.
Why did vittle assume that pacmans meant the second year rather than the first year? If the year is that important, why didn't he ask for a scan or ask whether the card was a '00-'01 or a '01-'02?
I think vittle is in the wrong. He made a deal based on a listing that, while not perfect, was within common practice, and he never asked for clarifying information.
BTW, threatening someone with unjustified criminal charges in order to obtain an advantage in a private deal is illegal, and in some states itself criminal.

Nick

pacmanssportscards

Thanks, Nick. I'm glad someone, other than vittle's biased buddies, was able to shed some truthful light on the matter.

Andrew

vittleboy

NickM I dont want to "obtain an advantage"

I just want my cards back. I just want this done.

NickM

vittle - if you're not entitled to rescind the trade, then you are trying to obtain an advantage.
I don't think you're entitled to rescind. I think you should have to bear the burden of your mistaken assumption. He made a reasonable listing (the same way PSA would list the card on a holder) and you never asked for clarification.

Nick

vittleboy

Ok Nick lemme tell you something this is the REAL World ok. How whould you feel if you got ripped for 200-300 in trade?

pacmanssportscards

How do you say you got ripped when you got the cards that you agreed to in perfect condition. When you get ripped someone steals your cards and doesn't give you anything, not gets their cards and sends you yours.

NickM

vittle, you are the one inhabiting a dream world.
You didn't get ripped off. You made a bad trade becuse you did not approach it properly. Most sellers in my experience either list the card with both years or list JUST the first year of issue on a split-year card. If you don't believe me, look at eBay. [I'm not new to the hobby. Based on other things you've said on the board, I was collecting cards even before you were born.]
You assumed the opposite of a common practice and are now complaining when you found out you were wrong.
I would feel bad if I did something as dumb as you did. I certainly wouldn't broadcast it to the world and whine about it for sympathy. I certainly wouldn't try to pressure the other person into undoing my mistake either.
Be a man, not a child. Buck up.

Nick

Biechner24

pacman- he did not get the cards he wanted you should of told him what the cards were just to clarify him before the deal was final so yes you did rip him off and should send him back his cards you think people will still trade with you after this check this post everyone except one person is on vittles side do the right thing send the man his cards back

Gabe

Mpower

Nick, Pacman knew that there was a big difference in trade value but did not tell vittles that. Heck he admits it and tells vittles that he should have asked for a scan and its his own fault for not looking. I think vittles knows that he made the mistake but also at the same time pacman new that vittles was making the mistake. Read the whole thread. This is a case of one trader taking advantage of another trader.

Now lets put this another way...lets say pacman did the same thing to a new rookie trader who just started trading online and hopes he can trust the person he is dealing with. Would it be wrong then if pacman did the same thing? Or is that ok cause the rookie trader should know eveything before dealing with a person?

Pacman has taken advantage of another trader. Its that simple. He is bad trader as trading is a mutual trust issue. You put your trust in the person that he is honest. There are alot of dishonest traders and dealers on the net and after what i have read i would not deal with pacman and will tell others not to do so also.

Vittles screwed up and pacman took advantage of his mistake and admits it.

And vittles i still think your an Azz.

vittleboy

<< <i>And vittles i still think your an Azz. >>


Thanks for the help Mpower but he wont do anything i have tryed my best i have said i whould pay for shipping on both ends and i have even traded to make the deal better and he wont do it.

Thanks again Azz

Mpower

Vittles, it really sucks that there are traders like this out there but his rep will be ruined so atleast that is one good thing. If you have his name and addy PLMK. I would like to add it to my bad trader list and to let the members of TR know notto deal with this guy.

Oh and your still a big Azz.

pacmanssportscards

I did not know he was making a mistake and did not try to take advantage of him. I have never ripped anyone off. You shouldn't stick your nose in other people's business or atleast not when you don't know the whole story and the truthful story. Vittle shouldn't give out any of my personal info since I did not rip him off. He got his cards.

IversonMiles

Colton says: Its the same as me..i am on the TR bad traders list..i never ripped anyone off...but i sent late...yet im still a bad trader..which is the right thing...i guess i respect mpower for putting me onthe list...and what you did is no different...so ur a bad trader man

pacmanssportscards

Yeah, but people that actually stole cards from people should not be listed the same as people who had a misunderstanding.

Remster

I guess there is another slant to this.If, say, you buy a card from your local card shop with a price of 40.00 and go home and find it had a bv of 10.00 you would be upset.So you return to the shop and the owner refuses to make it a more equitable deal on your side. There is not much you can do where it's already a binding contract.

But do you suppose you'll ever go back to that shop??? Very unlikely...something to keep in mind pacman...you may have made out well in your trade with vittle but you may find it hard to trade in the future...

It may not be a "bad trade" but it makes me question the traders scruples

BTW Vittle...you should post his addy here for the CU members

vcarterfany2k

i agree pacman needs to send back vittles cards,i know from what i have seen i will not deal or trade with pacman and have added him to my bad trader/scumbag/thief list,mike pm me his addy so i can add that and warn others about him,thanks



jack

Mikefromchester

pacmanssportscards,
A bad trader is a trader that takes what is not his, which is stealing. In this trade you got what you
wanted, but vittleboy did not get what he wanted. Like you stated it's a misunderstanding and if you
don't fix it you are a bad trader in my book. I have done over 300 on line trades and there has been
misunderstanding in some trades on my side and the one I traded with side, but on all it was
corrected, without much problem cause we both saw the other trader was not happy for whatever
reason. Misunderstanding is gonna happen, but how you deal with them will tell volume to all, about
what kind of trader/person you are.

Good luck, Mike

NickM

Mpower - that there was a big difference in trade value is fairly meaningless. vittle asserts he thought he was getting a $300 card for $180 in trade, as opposed to trading $180 to get a $100 card.
These figures are within the ballpark of what people will do for cards they really want. Look how often people post that they will trade 2x book value for their favorites. Also, Beckett is not the be-all and end-all of card pricing. If you think it is, I have some '99 through '01 inserts that I'd be happy to trade at the Beckett low value for cards I like.
Pacman didn't take advantage of anyone. He listed the cards by a standard convention for listing, and he sent the cards he listed and agreed to trade. I see nothing to indicate that he thought before the trade was completed that vittle was looking at the wrong year in Beckett.
I would feel no differently if vittle were brand new to card trading.
He is not being asked to know everything. He should be expected to not "know" things that aren't so, though. He never had a question as to what year "01" meant. This was an entirely unjustified assumption on his part. There's nothing wrong with believing that someone else has followed custom in the use of abbreviations, but if there is any custom, it is to label cards by year the way pacman did (as does PSA, as do most eBay sellers who don't spell the full years out).

Nick