Ok Guys I need a little help from the board PLEASE HELP

vittleboy

Ok Me and pacmanssportscards MAde a Deal LAst week and the deal was
He Gets
ARod jersey /24
KG Finest RC
Brooks Auto RC /49

I Get
Kobe/KG jersey
Pedro /19

Now when he had the Kobe KG jersey on his site I Looked and it said 2001 kobe kg jersey so i looked and thought it booked 300.00 I Told him that was the only thing i Like he Told me he like the KG and A-rod and i was like ok I whould be giveing you a little bit over book but i was fine because i needed a nice 300.00 to get a Jrich Spx Rc. Well He never tells me the kobe kg only books 100.00 and we end up makeing the deal. Now i look on ebay and find the card and start wondering which one i got he then after i have sent tells me it is 01-02 not 00-01 I am bummed because we have to do a trade back. Well I tell him what happen and tell him i am sorry this got all mixed up but i will need him to to back and i will send his back both send insered for 300.00 like before. Well He Says NO. He even tells me to Call him a Bad Trader. What should i do????

EHTHOCKEY09

all i can say is that sucks....maybe once he starts feelin the heat from OTHER boards members, hell send em back...

pacmans, buy a beckett man, seriously, you never seem to have the prices right

pacmanssportscards

HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT I RIPPED YOU OFF WHEN YOU GOT THE CARDS YOU AGREED TO IN PERFECT CONDITION!?!?

Here’s the TRUE story about the trade between Mike (vittleboy) and I:
I looked at Mike’s tradepage and told him that I liked his Arod jersey/24, KG Finest RC, and Aaron Brooks auto/49. He looked at my tradepage and told me he liked my Kobe/KG dual jersey and Pedro/19. He then offered me the Arod jersey/24, KG Finest RC, and Aaron Brooks auto/49 for the Kobe/KG dual jersey and Pedro/19. We both sent the cards and we both received them in good condition so I thought all should be well.
After we had already agreed to the trade, sent the cards, and received them, he PM’d me asking if the Kobe/KG dual jersey was 2000-2001 or 2001-2002 and I told him it was 2001-2002. He said he thought it was 2000-2001 so I have to send his cards back. I said no way, the trade is already over, I’m keeping them. So he said I misled him, lied to him, ripped him off, and stole his cards.
I had the Kobe/KG dual jersey listed on my tradepage as 2001 Upper Deck, which is correct because that is the year that it actually came out. For instance, the basketball cards that are coming out now, in the year 2002, are 2002-2003. I have all of my basketball and hockey cards listed as the year that they came out. I’ve had them that way for two years, traded with around fifty people, and never had a single problem with anyone not understanding which year they were.
He thought it was the 2000-2001 one, which books for $300, instead of the 2001-2002 one, which books for $100. This was his mistake, I never told him it booked for $300 and I never tried to make him think that it did.
The Arod jersey/24 does not book but he said it’s worth $300. I say it’s only worth $80-$100 because they sell for $40-$50 on eBay and most $100 cards sell for $40-$50. The KG Finest RC books for $80 with the protective film and this one does not have the protective film. The Aaron Brooks auto/49 and the Pedro/19 both book for $75.
Someone told me that I should have known Mike wasn’t going to trade me $180 for $100, well I say he should have known I wasn’t going to trade him $300 for $180. I think he got greedy and thought I didn’t realize it booked for $300, so he took a chance and waited until after the trade was finished to ask me so I couldn’t back out. Who cares about book value, that was my favorite card and I wouldn’t have traded it for any less anyway.
I have PMs, dated way before Mike and I traded, where people asked me how much the Kobe/KG dual jersey booked for and I told them $100. If Mike would have asked I would have told him $100 and provided him with the card #, a scan, and anything else he would have wanted.
He said he’s going to turn me in for mail fraud, but how did I commit mail fraud when we both agreed to the trade and we both got what we agreed to? Isn’t mail fraud when someone steals something through the mail, not when someone carries out a trade that was agreed to by both parties? He made the mistake so I don’t think I should have to find more time in my schedule to go back to the post office, pay to send his cards again, and then end up with the same cards I had to begin with. So since he made a mistake I end up spending $10 on postage and thirty minutes of my time for nothing? We both agreed to the trade, we both got our cards, end of story.
He then posted me as a bad trader and said I lied to him and stole his cards. People believed him and now no one wants to trade with me. I’m looking for any help I can get from the people who know I’m an honest trader and from the people who have had a similar bad experience. Thanks.
Andrew (pacmanssportscards)

pacmanssportscards

ehthockey knows something about not helping people out when they make a mistake.

rooks

pacman, that bs. In basketball, 2001 means the 00-01 season

epag64

sounds fishy, but if it is a honest or not mistake.. its on pacmans behalf, to send cards back and make the correction on his site b4 some1 else decides they want a 01 not the 02

EHTHOCKEY09

<< <i>ehthockey knows something about not helping people out when they make a mistake. >>




still, i was 50% right...the beckett WAS 40

vittleboy

pacmanssportscards Dont let something this stupid mess up your Rep. Because it will. Anything even this will.

pacmanssportscards

Like I said, had you asked I would have provided you with book value and a scan.

mcdee2

I never did like it when people list their cards incorrectly... clearly basketball cards are listed by dual years... IE 01-02 or 00-01... baseball and football.. are listed by singular years... who exactly made the trade offer?

mcdee2

sadly.. you may not get much backing due to the freeballers connection...

vittleboy

mcdee2- Thanks for the Help Here is how it went down he said he like the kg and a-rod i said i like the kobe kg and he offered me it for the a-rod and kg.

Also The CArds Just Came Here so I Am going to Pack them all Up and I am Going to the Post office Tuesday and send them back to him insured for 300.00

pacmanssportscards

If you send them back send money too so I can send them back to you or I'll just keep them.

mcdee2

well what if he doesnt agree to send back??? then you are REALLY out..

pacmanssportscards

BTW I do not have a "freeballers connection."

vittleboy

Some People Wanted to Know the Bvs here they are

He Gets
ARod jersey /24 no bv do to rarety But those who know i have been offer 200-300
KG Finest RC bv 80.00
Brooks Auto RC /49 bv 75 ( I Was Fine with Us still doing the aaron for the pedro)

I Get
Kobe/KG jersey bv 100.00
Pedro /19 bv 75

vittleboy

mcdee2- If Hes Doesnt send after he gets them i can just file mail fraud on him. Makes it easyer for me. I might end up getting the 300.00 or more then likely my cards.

pacmanssportscards

200-300 for the ARod is bs! They sell for $35-$50 on eBay and the one #'d 3/24 only sold for $56. So that's around $100.

pacmanssportscards

How can you file for mail fraud on a deal that was agreed upon and fulfilled by both parties? If you send them back to me I just write wrong address return to sender on it and put it back in the mailbox.

KLS23

Vittle,

So basically pacman thought that you were stupid enough to trade $400 cards for $175 worth from him? Or did he know that you were probably misled on the book values and made the trade anyway? Hmmmmm.....

Also, I don't think it's smart to openly admit that you would rip somebody off by "just keeping their cards"....so much for being an honest trader.

Ken

rooks

just send him his cards back. You didnt list the card correctly and you arent losing anything

pacmanssportscards

I said I wouldn't pay to send them back since I already paid to send them the first time.

vittleboy

Thanks For all the Help Guys. This post never should have happened We should just have said ok fine lets trade back

vittleboy

Look man dont be cheep cough up the 4.00 I never asked for you to pay for mine.

pacmanssportscards

It doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks since this was our trade. If the cards were in bad condition or I had lied I would have no problem sending back. I would have been happy to provide book value and a scan before the trade was finalized and sent.

Smarteeeee

How a trader handles a mess up speaks volumes to whether any of us should want to deal with them.



<< <i>How can you file for mail fraud on a deal that was agreed upon and fulfilled by both parties? >>



01, in basketball and hockey, refers to cards released for the 00-01 season. That is an error in listing an item, and by sending a trader a 01-02 card instead is not completeing the trade. When you agree to send one item, but instead send the incorrect year, the other trader is not receiving what they agreed to trade for. So your deal is hardly fulfilled by both parties.

Chuck

bradley25

This guy makes me look like a saint...at least I had a conscience...and am making things right with everyone.

bradley25

This guy makes me look like a saint...at least I had a conscience...and am making things right with everyone.

mcdee2

vittles.. I kinda think at this point.. cut your losses and send him enough for postage back

pacman... sorry given your relationship with Ryan and the way you pitch in during freeballers type posts.. it seemed an automatic fit.. again I humbly apologize.

pacmanssportscards

<< <i>This guy makes me look like a saint...at least I had a conscience...and am making things right with everyone. >>



Saint......making things right with "everyone?" Vittle is the first person who has said anything except that I was an awesome trader. Ask some of my CU refs, psasports, chillin, ejones, etc.

pacmanssportscards

I'm not going to send the cards he traded me back whether he sends me money for postage or not, I said if he sends the cards I traded him back even though I said no he will have to send me money for postage or I will just write return to sender on it.

bradley25

pacmanssportscards

A lot of people asked me what that card booked and I told them $100 but you never asked. I didn't lie and tell you it was $300, that was your own assumption. Not too mention I would have sent you a scan upon request too.

vittleboy

Well I guess i will Pay for your Shiping. I AM Going to Post you on my Bad Trader List and i will HAve a HyperLink of this next to it on my Refs List. I Will Ask That Everyone Watch out Because he Is not a Good Trader.

pacmanssportscards

Pay for my shipping? I'm not going to ship anything.

pacmanssportscards

If I get the priviledge of being on your bad trader list, you will get the priviledge of being on mine. What good is that going to do? You made a mistake and you need to get over it. People will still trade with me. Nine people on CU that say I am a good trader outweigh one person on CU that says I'm not. Not too mention my forty other trading refs that say I'm good.

vittleboy

Ok I have Talked to a Few People and here is what I am going to do. If You Dont Give me back My Cards, I Will Contact the State Attorney General Of Michigan. I Will File Fraud Charges. Due to your misrepresention.

Thanks for your Time

pacmanssportscards

Do whatever you wanna do.

dirtmonkey

I'm a bit confused pacman... Is it not possible that you misstated what the card was? Most people assume when a trader lists his cards, he knows what he has. If I had to clarify that the guy had the right card he had listed everytime he made a trade, the process of actually trading would seem endless. The fact that you are declining to just send his cards back might seem to most that you intended on ripping him off from the start.
You must have known that he was assuming it was the other card. Further, you can't say the ARod sells for this much on ebay when you guys were assumably working on "book values". I can understand not wanting to pay postage to ship them back, but just saying you wont get them back at all seems quite shady. Why not just give him the cards back and chalk one up to "$hit happens".

vittle might want to make sure the cards are what he assumes they are in the future... You know what they say about assuming?

dirtmonkey

You know what they say about assuming?


LOL - didn't I say assume like 4 times...?


Guess I should pay more attention

Mpower

As much as it kills me to say this...Vittles is right and i think Vittles is a Azz. So comming for me it means alot. LOL.

Pacman you are WRONG and need to send back the trade or atleast make up the difference. If you dont make it right your rep on CU will be trashed as you have not been here long enough. I know i would not deal with you and will warn others also if you do not make it right. Word of mouth goes along way especially when your name gets posted on all sportscard forum sites as a thief or scammer. Is it really worth it to screw one person over a trade?

Step up and be the better man and do the right thing.

Freakasaurus

Thats messed up, if he made the error he should be more than willing to accomodate you.

baljitgill

Pacman, send the cards back and pay for the shipping too. It's like $3. Also, you should go through your site and make sure you cards are listed correctly and buy a Beckett.

BG

vittleboy

I Cant Belive that Mpower just backed me up is this the apocaylpse!!!

Thanks guys for backing me up.

UofAWildcatFan

Pacmansportscards is way in the wrong here. I say he's a loser with no life if he's posting 30 times a day as well as trying to rip off a veteran member of this board. You've been here a whole month Pacman, get a clue and do the right thing.

Player050 knows this though...Player050 you still below 20??

KBryant1

pacman just send him his cards back and for future use
01=00-01 Season
02=01-02 Season

vittleboy

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steelers8036

pacman, you should send him his cards back. You knew that the card you had booked for $100 and not $300, so essentially, you knew you we're ripping him off. You made a mistake, now correct it. Vittle is right. Either send his cards back, or risk you're reputation.

vittleboy

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bradley25

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vittleboy

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