Gold experts give me your opinion this $10 liberty-NGC grade is in
darktone
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When I got home from work today there was a fed-ex package laying between the front door and the screen door. Anybody could have walked off with it so I was a little angry but when I opened it up all my anger went away when I layed my eyes on this $10 liberty.
mike
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Cameron Kiefer
My favorite year thou
jom
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Based on what I can see in the photograph I'd say NGC MS-64 and PCGS MS-63.
Oreville
That's the nicest gold MS-62 I've every seen. Again, based on what I see in the photograph that coins IMHO is seriously undergraded. The fields look very clean and there doesn't look like there is a mark anywhere on the cheek, neck, etc.
MS62
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So if this one grades MS62 my 1899 must be a MS66
Nice Lib--I'd give it a 62 or shot 63. The minor rim nicks and the nick on the chin don't bother me as much as the bag mark on the reverse. The luster looks nice though. But overall, too many marks to make it anything above 63. No spotting that I could see which is nice. I'd give it a solid 62 maybe NGC 63.
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Anyway, to the point: comparing my coin (a 1901) to yours, I must say that mine has much fewer marks. Yours is of course more original, but I will agree with the previous post that says yours would get a 62 at best, because of the chin ding. Mine has no marks that serious, and is a PCGS MS61. However, they may have net graded mine down a point or two for the light bath I gave it.
MY COIN, for comparison.
You will note that there is a faint hairline on the neck that is hardly visible to the naked eye (the scanner shadows enhanced it), and a few brown spots remain on the reverse, near E in UNITED and to the left of the olive branch. I don't know if they are "copper spots" or not; I was able to remove the worst of them with the cleaning. (Diluted Jeweluster and a Q-tip.) Are copper spots removable? I didn't think so.
Also, do you collect these? Just $10 Libs, or other gold, too?
I want to upgrade the coin in my picture, plus my MS62 $2.50 and $5.00 Libs in my Regitry set (#6 on 20th C. Gold Major Design) to MS63. I would be interested in trading and/or selling these last MS62's and the MS61 $10 in order to accomplish that upgrade. If anybody has any PCGS $2.50, $5.00, or $10.00 Libs in 63, please let me know. I could trade my old coins plus money or other PCGS coins for yours. And I will try to find the original ANACS MS63 insert for that now-PCGS MS61 1901 $10 Liberty. I don't know if it would cross back to ANACS at the same grade or not, but someone could try.
Oops, now I've gone and spammed up your thread, talking about my coin instead of yours. Sorry about that. I do think yours is very pretty (what MS Liberty gold isn't?), but I think hoping for anything over 62 from PCGS on it would be a long shot, if only because of that one mark. But you never know. Look at the hairline on the cheek of this No Motto $1 Indian I used to own. It got a 62. I think the hairline was all that held it back from 63 or even 64.
Your coin certainly has some nice cartwheel luster to it.
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lordmarcovan-that is a nice looking coin. I think the copper spot and the mark on the neck don't hurt the grade too much but it does not look to have much of it's original luster from the picture and that appears to be the difference when going after grades of 63 and up along with clean fields. The copper spot is from improperly mixed alloy of gold with copper( as I am sure you know) As the copper starts to tone it turns brown. Are they removable? no but they can be made less obvious but I would leave it just the way it is. I don't mind copper spots to me it just make the coin look more original. mike
The 1904-S is a lower end 63 for the chatter on the obverse coin but the strike and luster is fabulous which helps the coin along. The plus and minuses.
Some will be put off by the chatter others will go for the strike and luster. It is not a coin to crack out since PCGS on a bad day would be more liekley slab it 62 than 64. That is how I define the risk of cracking out.
JMHO.
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Not disagreeing that there isn't more than the usual amount chatter for a 63 grade but I do not believe it is quite as bad as you may think.
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Definitely not one I would crack out for any reason. But, as oreville said, the strike and luster on it are great. I have never been thrilled with it, but I don't despise it, either.
Thank y'all for your opinions, both favorable and unfavorable. I have enjoyed this thread and found it educational. I would be the last to call myself a "gold expert", but I think I have some nice pieces. You didn't see any of the nicer ones in this thread. You saw my more generic, lower-end stuff.
Mike- I would definitely call FedEx to task for leaving your envelope in a vulnerable place. I had an expensive gold coin left at my neighbors' house by UPS, once. Fortunately, I had trustworthy neighbors I got along well with. I would rather have had them do what they did than leave it on the front steps. And it was better to walk over to the neighbors than to drive across town to the UPS center to pick it up. The between-the-doors thing that FedEx did might not be the worst, though. We don't have a screen door. I found a box on the corner of my porch steps recently that was wrapped up in the doormat. Thinking my wife had moved the doormat to sweep or something, I ignored it for nearly a week. When I finally discovered it, it had been rained on a few times.
Tom
Darktone: Good for you! It's hard to tell with photos because you tend to just look at the hits and strike. Luster does not show up with in most photos..especially scanners. Just because a coin has hits it can still get a higher grade if the luster kicks butt.
jom