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Grade this 1921 Peace Dollar! GRADE POSTED!

rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
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After looking at Bill's new 21 in 65 I thought I may try and get a few opinions on this 1921.....will post grade tonight!

Have FUN!

and no PM's to PQPeace inquiring about the grade!image

Hope these links work!image
Steve

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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    The link is broken.
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  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    Sorry Don......moving at a snail's pace this morning.

    I think they are working now.....one day I'll figure all this out!image
    Steve

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  • medicain19medicain19 Posts: 79
    ms66
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  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    ms64
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  • PQpeacePQpeace Posts: 4,799 ✭✭✭
    au58 at best imageimage
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  • LuvdawgsLuvdawgs Posts: 1,512 ✭
    ms65
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  • RLinnRLinn Posts: 596 ✭
    Grading from scans is all about assumptions. In this case, I assume it is a weak strike vs wear and thus think it is a 65. I'd be interested in what assumptions others make about the scan in reaching their grade conclusion. I think I can learn from you guys.
    Buy the coin...but be sure to pay for it.
  • TreedocTreedoc Posts: 19 ✭
    MS64
    Mike
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Very nice looking piece rkfish. Doesn't look like the usual weak, washed out piece that is commonly seen. The 1921 is one of the 4 toughest dates in the series IMO to find with strong eye appeal and yours looks good. Is that a digital pic as it looks very clear and detailed, I'm impressed!

    Dragon
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Very nice. The fields look great, and the strike is above average for a 21. Assuming no rubs (can't tell from the scans), I like it at MS64.
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • supercoinsupercoin Posts: 2,323 ✭
    Above average strike for the date, clean surfaces, only thing I can see to really pick on is a little of the typical white toning. Looks like a solid MS65.
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  • jmp81jmp81 Posts: 52
    I love the reverse. MS66. On second thought, the hair looks like it is matted further up than normal.
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  • nuckleheadnucklehead Posts: 1,500 ✭


    << <i>au58 at best imageimage >>

    That was funny, great looking coin Rkfish.
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  • kieferscoinskieferscoins Posts: 10,017 ✭
    MS-64
  • JamericonJamericon Posts: 438 ✭✭✭
    Going out on a limb- but using my smarts:

    Proof-66 matte
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    AU-50. I have an AU-55 one that looks a slight bit better.
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  • TrimeTrime Posts: 1,863 ✭✭✭
    Difficult to tell from a scan but looks like an MS66. The fields are free of significant marks. Has a satin luster.
    Trime
  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    It has great eye appeal and I would say MS-65 with an NGC *.
    image
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    AU-58.
  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    Dragon,

    The pics were taken using an older Fujifilm Finepix 2400 digital camera. Still learning to use it!image

    Thanks for the compliment! This coin has about an 80-85% strike and is extremely clean.
    Steve

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  • coinnerdcoinnerd Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
    It has very clean fields. Looks like a few ticks on the neck. It probably got a 65 but because of the flat hair I'd call it a 64.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Using the scan provided, looks like a solid MS-65.
    Keith ™

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll say MS-64. It could go one grade higher, but I'd be surprised if it was lower.
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    MS-64, probably dipped at one time so that the luster seems a little lacking, but still very clean and reasonably well struck for the coin.
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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    So what is the grade? I wonder why everyone is sure this is mint state. I have a AU-55 one that looks just like this one, but with a little more hair detail.

    Neil
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    ttt
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    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    I have a AU-55 one that looks just like this one, but with a little more hair detail.

    And yours is a slabbed 1921 also?
    For a 1921,which are graded differently than the other dates of the series,The strike is probably slightly above average.The flatness on the ear area is alot of times due to weak strike and not from circulation wear.

    If this coin was less than a 64 ,I,d be surprised.A 66 wouldn`t seem out of line either.
    Hard to say for sure with scan but the luster could be alittle dulled from a few strong dips.
    It is very clean,and seems to lack a bit of the magnificent luster these are known for.
    Again,the 1921 is a different breed from the rest of the dates.
    Maybe the `21s,which didn`t always strike-up fully,would naturally be lack-luster due to the soft strikes
    the 1921s are known for.
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    Because of the high-relief design of the 1921,this date was difficult to get fully struck.
    Thats a crucial point I forgot to add.
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146 ✭
    One last thing,I think graders take note of the fact these may have some wear in the center,detail in hair over ear,which is from them just being in rolls.The high-relief design prevented one from stacking the coins.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Hi Fish!
    It looks as good as the one that other guy posted yesterday except for the obv fingerprint takes a little appeal away from it and the strike looks a bit weaker than his 65. I can't tell how deep the ticks are on the face and neck but if they are the typical bag marks I say it's 64. If they are severe it might be a 63.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • WhitewashqtrWhitewashqtr Posts: 736 ✭✭✭
    MS65-1/2.
    HAVE A GREAT DAY! THE CHOICE IS YOURS!!!!
  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    Well, there could be small nicks here and there that the scan doesn't show (It would be better to try grade from a hi-res scan where the image is maybe 1000x1000 or even bigger), but from the scan it appears to be about MS65-66. If there are numerous small marks, which I assume there aren't since you said it is very clean, it would be lower.

    I will hope you are correct that the coin is very clean, and guess 66image

    JJacks

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  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    Thanks everyone for your guesses and opinions!

    First let me say that I know better than anyone that scans are very tough to grade by and with that being said.....this coin has a very nice strike (probably the best I have seen) for the 20-25 MS coins that I have looked at in this grade and numerous (hundreds) others all over the grade spectrum. The luster is slightly subdued due to a light spotchy golden patina. Out of the 20-25 Peace dollars I have seen in this grade this one is by far the cleanest. It also has a very deep dish look and a puffy cheek. The rims are clean. There are no fingerprints on the coin as I think the toning may make it appear to.

    Can you tell I own it?image

    Grade: MS66

    Every time I pull it out and look at it it makes me smile!image
    Steve

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    An eye appealing 21-P is a 'keeper' in any grade IMO. I've seen very few attractive 21-Ps over the years, while many are relatively mark free, they're either too weakly struck, over dipped and washed out, or both. Yours appears to be a pleasant exception rk.

    Dragon
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Hi Fish.
    Please comment on the 8 or 9 reed marks going from the nose down across the neck & what the disturbance by the L is.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    Hi Dog!

    There are no reed marks on the chin or neck and the disturbance around the "L" is the splotchy gold patina that I mentioned in the above thread. The patina gives the appearance of some light contact (reed) marks that are not there.
    Steve

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  • 66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭
    I just love the coins that make me smile each time I look, and that one would do it.
    Need something designed and 3D printed?
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Hey Fish,

    Thanks for the post. I'm glad I saw the coin.image
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    Me too Don!

    I was beginning to wonder!image
    Steve

    Check out my PQ selection of Morgan & Peace Dollars, and more at:
    WWW.PQDOLLARS.COM or WWW.GILBERTCOINS.COM
  • cointagiouscointagious Posts: 847 ✭
    rk,
    bad news. you may not see any fingerprints now but they're on the way. take a look at the bridge of lib's nose.

    (caveat - could be the resolution of your scanner, but...)

    p.s. nice coin, though!
    image
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Thanks Fish!
    I never did do anything with that green Peace I have. I got out of the Registry RatRace so I never tried to slab it.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • cointagiouscointagious Posts: 847 ✭
    rk,
    p.s. did you wipe the slab before you shot the pix? i think i'm seeing the same things dog is seeing.
    image
  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    coint,

    I may not have....don't remember. She's back safe and sound in the safety deposit box!

    Dog,

    My offer still stands on it if interested......if I can remember what it was!image
    Steve

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