Thanks..........and now hockey

Davalillo

Thanks to everyone who has helped me in attempting to complete all my baseball, football and basketball sets on the registry by e-mailing me where they have upgrades or can fill holes. Please keep them comin'.
Now I am starting to register my hockey sets and 1953 Parkhurst and 1963 Parkhurst will be up shortly. As with other sports, I have nrmt-mt raw sets that I am submitting to psa. Where I do not get 8s, which is more often than I care to admit, I will upgrade.
I am also submitting another 2,500 cards at the Ft. Washington show and will have more sets up on the registry(probably close to 100),.
With almost every set, I am attempting to get every card in 8 or better(there are a small number where I am aiming at 9 or better). As many of you know, I will trade my 9s and low pop 8s for vintage sets--but generally only at multiples of smr.
I generally will pay around smr for the cards I need which are many.

One last point that I have made before...for those of you thinking of consigning sets with an auction house please check with me first. Even if I have a significant part of the set in 8, I may be willing to take the risk of buying your set and selling off the duplicates. The latest example of this is Carlos's sets on Superior. I would not have bought everytghing he had but certainly a good chunk of it. After a seller's commission and a 15% buyers commission does anyone really think he will do better with his semi-modern sets at auction?

Davalillo

Vargha

Let me be the first to vouch for Jim. He's a top-notch person to deal with (although a tough negotiator).

Stump

Davalillo

Although I try not to question ones finances of how they feel they need to make ends meet this day and age. I tend to agree with you on the auction sets. I also would have stepped up and bought some of Carlos sets. Although I intend to bid on the 70,71,72 and 74 I will adjust my bid for the buyers premium. I dont know Carlos personally but he appears to be one of the good guys and his sets do have somewhat of a history to the registry. I know some people feel to buy a complete set and put it on the registry in your name cheapens the set but I would just as well like to see the sets remain to give either motivational goals to the sets that are behind. I believe this registry is creating a culture and I for one would like to keep it going.
As far as Carlos is concerned I offer good luck to his needs and I think he will come back> Its hard to get this out of your blood. I also look forward to seeing your future sets.

Dave

yawie99

davalillo, if you wind up with any duplicate 8's or even unwanted 7's with your '53 parkies, i'd definitely be interested.

Mantlefan

I agree with Davalillo. Even with most vintage stuff, it's far more profitable to sell on EBAY or privately. With the recent slump in prices, I've been able to buy cards from auction houses and resell them on EBAY with a nice profit. Fortunately, I have the time to do that; some collectors don't and for them the big houses are their only recourse.

Davalillo

David,

Thank you. I don't mean to be a tough negotiator. I am probably overly influenced by recent prices Branca, Merkel, Kaplan and others are willing to pay for my low pop vintage 8s and 9s and in certain cases pre-war. I really do wish you the best against the big hitters.

Yawie 99,

I registered 92 of 100 cards in the set. Howe and Beliveau were 8s and I believe Lumley, Sawchuck and Mahovlich were 7s. No duplicates but if I acquire some 8s, I will remember you as someone who could be interested in the 7s.

If you have truly rare or very valuable stuff to sell, I can see going the auction route but why pay 20%(guess-5% sellers commission and 15% buyers commission for what is generally 1970 psa 8 stuff that is either plentiful now or will be plentiful in the near future

Basilone

I agree with Davalillo....the extra monies if any most likely will go into the pockets of the auction houses. I have dealt with Davalillo before and he is a top-notch, no nonsense buyer....his reputation is impeccable.

Also, when he says that he will buy large lots he is dead serious and is not just looking to cherry-pick your low pop's, yankees, etc. Here is some advice though...do your homework. When I sold a large lot to him I first checked out what he had on the registry, both cards he did not have and cards he did not have in PSA 8 or better. I then simply wrote him an email listing him the cards he did not have and cards he did not have in PSA 8....it really helped with the transaction that I did some of the legwork first. It was much easier for me to do it as I do not have the 15,000+ collection of slabbed cards to sift through.

If you do some of the research up front....no doubt you will have a nice, easy transaction..at a very fair price.

John Basilone

sixdart

How often do you have doubles of vintage psa 8s or higher?

It is nice to hear someone willing to trade cards now days.

carkim

Davalillo,

I did want to strike a deal with you. The first time I emailed you was in reference to just my basketball cards. I wanted to sell my 1971 & 1972 sets as a whole...but you only wanted the eights. The second time I emailed you was in reference to my entire Baseball & Basketball collection. You did not reply.

I do wish we could have worked something out, and maybe I should have continued to try to make contact with you. I'm sorry, but I felt you were upset with me after I didn't want to do the first deal.

I then contacted dealers about the sale of my collection but they only wanted to cherry pick it. The only dealer/auction house that was willing to sell all my items as is, was Superior. Chris even drove to Ohio to pick up the cards so I didn't have to ship them.

Davalillo, again I'm sorry if you feel I didn't want to transact with you because that is not true. As is the case with most collectors I haven't shown my full collection publicly. As a matter of fact, depending on the sale of my current auctions I may have to dip into my safety deposit box and pull out some of my REAL GEMS. I will contact you first if that ever happens.

Humbled,

Carlos

Davalillo

Carlos,

You sound like a great guy and it soundsb as if either I wrote and did not send the e-mail in question or I sent it and you did not receive it. The second time you e-mailed me I replied that I was not interested in the most modern of your sets but I was interested and would buy certain of the others. When I did not hear back, I did not follow-up as I thought you had decided not to sell.
Anyway, the larger point and I think it is supported by several on this thread is when one is selling why not ask collectors on the registry first--particularly if it is not high-end, high $ value vintage material. I think you would have found buyers at fair prices for the majority of what you wanted to sell. Presuming you pay 5% and the buyer pays 15%, on a $5,000 lot that is $1,000.
I of course would appreciate you keeping me in mind on future sales.

My best,

Davalillo

Stump

Davalillo


Well said.


Dave

carkim

Davalillo,

Sorry about the miscommunication, and I will notify you first if I do intented to sell in the future. Good luck with all your sets.

Carlos

sixdart

... As many of you know, I will trade my 9s and low pop 8s for vintage sets--but generally only at multiples of smr.

What range of a multiple are your requirements? Like 1.25X, 1.5X or 2X? It would depend on other criteria than just price I would assume. I wouldn't want to make an unrealistic offer.

Davalillo

Sixdart,

No offense but we are in different zip codes.

I sold a low pop 51 Bowman common reventlt(pop 5) for $3,500 versus an smr of $120 in psa 8. For 9s in that set I sold a pop 1 high number for $3,000 versus an smr of $300.
I sold the 53 Bowman Color Doby for $3,375 versus an smr of 975 then and $1,500 now.
There are many other examples. It really depends on how many collectors and even more so who they are that are building the set.
Currently, 51 and 52 Bowman are the hottest sets in my opinion. Whereas scarce commons in 52 Topps were going for big dollars in psa 8, once Fogle and Merkel got their cards the market came down sharply.
So, I try to take advantage of these trends as I am on a budget.
I am really not interested in getting rid of more modern cards(1960 and beyond) for less than 5 times smr just because the numbers are not big enough to justify it.
If these numbers surprise anyone, our friend David Vargha will confirm that this is indeed what is taking place in these early Bowman sets.

Davalillo

sixdart

No offense taken. I am new to the vintage scene and I am learning quickly!

That is why I made the post and I totally understand with regards to the low-population cards. Having or needing a few of these towards the end of a set would justify the multiplier of SMR.

Thank for the prompt reply.

Did you have any extra '48 Bowman football by chance?

Davalillo

Sixdart,

No, I don't. I give all duplicate cards to Steve Novella, a psa dealer and a guy I would heartily recommend, from Maine.

sixdart

Thanks!

Is that the EBAY seller ... oldarch@shore.net?

He also has many ungraded singles lately (of the same issue) - were those yours as well?

Davalillo

No--Steve can be reached at snovella@megalink.net

waitilltheytrytosell

Boy did I get crucified in the past when I suggested that maybe giving sets like this to fee hungry auction houses wasn't such a hot idea. Do you really think those auction houses have secret buyers who only buy from them? Maybe years ago, but not today. Today it will likely be going to somebody you already know or heard of. Buyers for these sets are on places like this message board and Ebay, or they are just one card broker cell phone call away. You throw the stuff on Ebay, mention it on this board, and the buyers will show up for a competitive sale of your sets. The highest paying buyer will show up. You give Ebay 1 or 2 percent, and have a lot more green in your pocket to show for your efforts. Although, Maestro could use a new marble floor for his warehouse. Maybe selling them directly to Davalillo will realize you the most money, but if he ends up winning them from an auction house stuffing their pockets with this fee and that, it will have an impact on the net amount you receive.

murcerfan

Davalillo.
Want to take a big group of '33 Ice Kings off my hands??
while not exactly psa gems, they're not the bottom of the barrell either.
I have your e-mail somewhere so just post a "yep" and I'll send a d-base on them.
Dave T.
ps- let me know when your "cup runneth over" on '33 Hamilton "puck" Gum's, as I should revisit those little gems and get complete (any color backgrounds for now).

Davalillo

Murcerfan,

Not collecting these(yet). If I did, it would be psa 8 or better only. I am a buyer of 69 Topps Super 9s and 10s I need if you are interested in selling.

Davalillo

robr1967

Davalilo:

Here is a question for you. I am working on trying to upgrade y 1955 AA FB set. You have 1 or 2 PSA-9's that I need to upgrade in my set.

If I were to trade you the PSA-8 that I have in my set for the PSA-9's that you have, what would you also need in cash to make a deal?

You can email me at rruth@comcast.net.....or post a reply here.

Many Thanx
Rob Ruth

Davalillo

Rob,

Depends on the pop. Probably $1,500 for a pop 1 common going down to $500 for a pop 4 or 5.

How much to buy your whole set?

robr1967

Davalilo:

Wow. Your prices are a bit extreme. I guess you don't do much trading or selling with other people do you.

Only a couple of months ago, I picked up a PSA-9 #82 Wojo card, and only ended up paying $400 for it. This is the 2nd rarest card in the entire set, only behind good ole Charlie O'Rourke.

Also, since you asked about my set. I am sorry but presently it is not for sale.

Unless of course, you want to make an offer for it in the price range, that you expect for your cards as well.

Rob

Vargha

Rob, Jim's point is that unless you make it really worth his while to give up the PSA 9's in trade for a PSA 8 and cash, it won't happen. In certain sets like the 1951 Bowman baseball set, people are willing to do that. In the one you collect, the market probably doesn't bear it out.

robr1967

David:

Good point. At those prices it surely won't happen. Not with me at least.

I guess, I look at it from another point of view, in that he would not be losing his complete set, and yet he could get the satisfaction of helping to make one of the best sets even better. With the prices that Jim listed, they shoudl be for buying the card outright, and not even having to include the card from my set.

Just my opinion.

Rob

Davalillo

David is exactly right.

Wow, maybe I should just give you the card if I really can "get the satisfaction of helping to make one of the best sets even better".
Just think, I can tell everyone that hey I contributed one card to Rob's 1955 All-America set and boy am I satisfied.

thegemmintman

Waitill, if you're referring to our discussion of the sale of my '70 Kellogg's PSA 9 set at the last Superior auction, no one crucified you. You had your opinion on why using a major auction house is not the best idea, and myself and a couple of others defended why selling some things at the major auctions houses can often yield better results and save one a lot of time and work. As it turned out, I'm sure I realized more money after fees from the sale than I would have on Ebay and there was no work involved. Of course nothing is guaranteed. You take your chances like anything else, and you need to weigh the pros and cons.

I have no problem at all with Carkim putting his set with Superior. He'll probably do very well with it and he does no work at all.

I wonder if people here make the false assumption that everyone wants to list all their stuff on Ebay, answer e-mails, deal with shipping, contact other potential buyers via e-mail and phone, negotiate back and forth, send scans, answer questions, etc, etc, etc... All for what? To save 5%? I'd rather have fun than do all the b.s. work to save a few bucks. For people who make a living at this I can understand the need to minimize costs, but there are some of us who don't need or want all the hassles. Can't you see that?

murcerfan

Davalillo,
that psa 8 Ice Kings sets will really be something to honk your shnoze at.
rivaled only by my all psa9 Greatest Moments set and Bob's new radical venture into the all new straight up and down PSA 11 ...........'69 supers (that's right ...psa just broke out the all new "spinal tap" grade of Gem Mint plus One) .
My Rose is almost a twelve! I swear it.
anyhow, at least Hockey players don't strike.
You will fall in love with the Kings set as well as the Puck Gums.
Problem is...... you have to go an awful far way North to find them in high grade.

robr1967

Jim:

No offense. No, let me change that, I do mean to be offensive.

Your an A$$HOLE. I have never asked for you to give a card away. But for you to expect or even want scalping prices like you want is a bit extreme like I said already.

I would not have a problem at all gladly giving you SMR or a little more then SMR along with a PSA-8 for a PSA-9. The AA set is a highly collected set, but there are not too many people out there putting together such a high grade set that I am attempting to do.

crazysc

Jim,

Why not send me all your extra 9s? Then you can have the satisfaction of seeing some quality vintage PSA on TV! Help contribute to the quality of late night programming!

Basilone

<< <i>As it turned out, I'm sure I realized more money after fees from the sale than I would have on Ebay and there was no work involved. >>



Not too sure about that one.....unsure of what your commission deal was but Superior pocketed 17-27% of the final hammer price. Are you saying the set sold at auction for 20-25% more than it possibly could on Ebay?

Hopefully you got a pretty sweet deal from Superior on the commission end, due to some problems/errors in their listing of your set (on their end)...from what I remember about it.

theBobs

Rob,

<< <i>But for you to expect or even want scalping prices like you want is a bit extreme like I said already. >>

A seller is free to ask whatever price he wishes. And you (as the buyer) are free to say "yes" or "no". There is really no need to personalize the offer, or really even try to judge its "fairness".

You asked for a price, Jim gave a price. Simple so far. You didn't like the price. No worries. Should end there really.


<< <i>I guess, I look at it from another point of view, in that he would not be losing his complete set, and yet he could get the satisfaction of helping to make one of the best sets even better. >>

We can debate all day and then some over the "fairness" of any offer. But ultimately the offer is accepted or rejected -- for whatever reasons, rational, logical, or otherwise.



<< <i>But for you to expect or even want scalping prices like you want is a bit extreme like I said already. >>

Is it as extreme as calling someone an A$$hole? There is no reason to call anyone names over an offer which you solicited.
From my view Jim is free to ask for $25 for a POP 1 PSA 9 or $25,000.

robr1967

Well the only reason that came out was becasue of his mocking me.

I have in the past sold cards to other collector's at my cost period. I do get satisfaction, at helping people with their sets. I have done thing more then once as well.

From his making this comment. Just think, I can tell everyone that hey I contributed one card to Rob's 1955 All-America set and boy am I satisfied.

Wouldn't you get upset at the mocking tone it took.

theBobs

<< <i>Wouldn't you get upset at the mocking tone it took. >>


Nope. I would not.

thegemmintman

Basilone - yes I received more for the set after the fees were deducted than I would have received net of fees on Ebay and there was no work involved. I'm convinced of that.

Why are you so skeptical? I know my sets the way you know yours. For example, an all PSA set of '70 Kellogg's 9's and 8's on Ebay a few months ago couldn't even fetch an opening bid of $750 until I sniped it at the end. Using Ebay doesn't always work out the way people plan, and neither does Superior for that matter. I think more times than not one should use Ebay to sell, but if you have a "special item", and you want to attract a pool of buyers who might not necessarily be looking for your item on Ebay (and you don't want to do any of the work), using Superior or one of the other auction houses might benefit you.

Look there's no guarantees. I took a calculated risk, and it worked out pretty well. Next time it may work out better or worse, but we're not talking about large sums of money here so what the heck, I'll take a chance once in a while.

If auction houses like Superior provided no value to consignors then they wouldn't exist. You have to pick your spots with what you consign with them. There are certainly items that are consigned with them that would be better off sold on Ebay so you have to consider a lot of things before deciding the best method to sell your item.

Basilone

GemMint-

Im not skeptical...the commission and buyers premium percentages do not lie....thats why auction houses are so profitable...they have a great business model.

I have to disagree with you though (see Davalillo and WaitTill posts)...with the advent of the internet, message boards, etc. .... the line of communciation are as open as ever. The thinking that the "whales" are only looking at auction houses is, in my opinion, not a very progressive one. The hobby is catching up to technology. Ive said this before...the big time collectors out there have a slew of dealers "working or looking" for them....the offers come to them.

Ultimately, its the sellers choice how he wants to sell his collection/sets and hopefully it works out well. Just keep in mind the 15% juice could be going into his/her pocket instead.

It is good to hear though that you were happy with the hammer price of your Kellogg's sale....thats good news for all PSA set collectors!

John

sixdart

Who said there will never be competition, personal pride or sense of accomplishment within the PSA set registry?

sixdart

I think I will put off starting the '51 bowman baseball set for a while?

thegemmintman

John, forget about the 15% for a minute. The bottom line for me was this - I received about $2,300 net after fees in my pocket from the sale with no work done other than trying to convince some here that it was a better deal for me, LOL. At the time of the sale I never would have received that figure after fees on Ebay so it worked out for me.

BTW, this big information network to find buyers that you mentioned still requires work from the seller which I'm not always willing to do .

Basilone

Gemmint-

Hey at least you didnt call me a A-Hole...

Take care and Best of Luck with your sets,

John

thegemmintman

John, I would never do that - LOL. You're a good guy, and we're both entitled to our views and how we choose to sell our cards. Good luck to you also.

RayBShotz

Davalillo - Does Steve Novella have a bricks and mortar business or strictly mail order? I am in Maine quite a bit and would love to drop by his store if he has one. My interest would be strictly 1969 Topps Baseball.
RayB69Topps

waitilltheytrytosell

In defense of Davalillo's prices, I think the prices he came up with are a semi-educated guess based on what he's been offered to sell cards in the past. Few people have a clue how you are supposed to price items that rarely come up for sale. I'd have to guess that most of the inquiries he get's about cards in his sets come with enticing offers that he's feels would be foolish not to take. He is not a dealer and his cards are not for sale. If you ask him to come up with prices for cards which he had no plans of selling, and has no idea what they are really "worth", it is very possible they could be too high for you. You would also be rather pricey on items you would just as soon keep. Having cards that you need, priced at more than you are willing to pay, makes no collector or dealer an a$$hole.

acowa

In defense of being an arsehole...I have been an arsehole for many years now and it has served me quite nicely. I have many references that will vouch for me.

BTW - When someone quotes you a price that you consider to be in the gouge range...they're probably trying to send you a signal that they're simply not interested in selling the card. Most of the collectors/dealers that I know are not into the whole community service aspect of helping build the greatest set ever. I applaud those that are into the community service aspect...but they usually don't last too long.


Regards,



Alan

qualitycards

Ray - Steve Novella works out of an office and sells via his website and occasionally on eBay. Contact him and I'm sure he'll be happy to add you to his Email mailing list...jay

Davalillo

Thanks to the many dealers and hobby friends who have e-mailed me this morning and last night with their support. I will just take the high road and let it drop and let my reputation and Rob's hobby reputation speak for themselves.
Of course I realize that he must pay for his characterization of me and that I will now focus on surpassing his set on the psa registry(ha!)
And Solomon, it would be very satisfying for me to have you sell one of my psa 9s on late night tv. I will see you at Ft. Washington. I have some cards for you to sell as well.

Davalillo

zardoz51

I too am an a$$hole and I am proud to admit it.



American Secretly Serving Higher Order Law Enforcement

qualitycards

ZARDOZ! - Thats true! I've always said that about you.
Just kidding of course, you are a legend in my eyes, at least when it comes to 1970 Kellogg's ...jay

zardoz51

Thanks Jay!

You and many others I assure you!

acowa

Just for the record, Zardoz is just jealous of my 1971 grading skills. So much in fact that he gouged me on some Card Saver I's. Even though he sold them to me for several $$$ less than my best alternative...I am still feeling a little bitter. Needless to say, he will not be receiving any more shrubbery from good old AC.


Regards,


Alan