As to color,the 1834hco2 pic is the closest to actual color I guess.Wish the color was like in shot 4,but it aint. Got 2 shots of the obv,and 2 of the rev. How would yall grade it...... Thanks for looking yall
Wow David,Thats a mighty generous grade.But if you say AU then..ok.Sounds great to me. I hope everyone sees it that way too. Tomorrow.......er later on today....I,ll tell what grade it was bought at. I will say this.I thought it looked a full grade better than what he had on the flip. I paid the grade he had it priced at in the Numismedia price guide. Thanks
Wear wise, I'd say AU. The first shot gives it a glean I don't like... if it looks like the first one in person, I'd worry it had been cleaned at some point.
What's with the dot in the center of the reverse? I have an 1828 with the same dot.
I really like that series. These are somewhat hard to get a good image of because they are usually pretty dark, and yes, things that don't really appear (or at least not obvious) in the hand stand out greatly in a photo.
EF is my guess, but it's not really my area of study, so it's just that - a guess.
the dot is called a "center dot" (duh) and was used to center the planchets on the dies. keep in mind that these were all struck by hand, which is pretty darned amazing and is why i like copper and bust's.
Ok,Its later today...Seller had VF on the flip,I thought it looked closer to an EF. AU details?I could agree with that for sure.Corroded?I cant agree.No porosity,or pitted anywhere. Rims are ding-free and complete.On looking at the surfaces near the rim I can actually see flow-lines still present.Harshly cleaned?..I see no wire brush marks.Not whizzed that I can tell.Cleaned?probably..Harshly?I,d say no. I may have ANACS check it out for slabbing.Or ..would PCGS most likely BB it?If I KNEW they,d slab it,I,d submit it to them as THEY are the premier slabbers on the planet.....for now. Thanks for the look-sees yall.
Sharpness AU-50, appears to have some surface roughness and moderate marks of the face, from the color in the scans it appears to have been cleaned and recolored. EAC VF-20
As for the dot on the back, Dorkkarl was right that it is called a center dot but it has nothing to do with the planchets. The dot was created during the manufacturing of the die. The wreath was hubbed into the die using a press but all of the lettering was punched into the die by hand. In order to keep the placement of the letters even a compass would be used to lightly scribe two fine arcs around the wreath. One point of the compass was placed in the center of the die and the other point would be used to scratch the two arcs exactly the height of the lettering apart. The die sinker would then use these lines to keep from punching in the letters too high or two low. On uncirculated early die state coins these faint raised layout lines can still be seen joining the tops and/or bottoms of the letters together. The point of the compass held in the center of the die would be pressed in more firmly than the scribing point because if it wandered the arcs would not be true. After the two arcs were made the indentation in the center of the die was usually cllearly visible and often quite strong. This indentation in the die caused the raised center dot on the coins. The same process was used to place the stars on the obverses of the half cent and large cents. The center dots are not usually as noticable but are usually seen just in front of Liberty's ear.
Thanks Conder.Thats great info.I also noticed alittle die-clash showing on the rev.A faint outline of the nose and lips show inside the left side of the wreath.Very common I,m sure.
You back home now?Hope you and your Dad are recovering nicely.Best wishes.
Well not quite home. I got out of the hospital Saturday and I'm now living at my brothers carpet shop. (My apartment isn't wheelchair accessible and the shop is. Fortunately that's also where my computer is!)
I'm getting better, some felling is returning to my legs and I've actually begun doing some walking, 10 to 12 steps, without my walker now. Interesting walking without feeling the floor.
I'd net grade this to VF-25. It's got EF-45 sharpness, but there are too many nicks, and the eye appeal falls well short for me. I'd sooner have a VF-20 by honest wear although that's actually a pretty rare bird for this date. Our forefathers didn't like half cents, and the coins didn't get much use.
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I suppose VF could be the correct grade.But going by my ANA GSfUSCs book,it would be a 30. `Slight flatness shows in curls on shoulder.`.....ok..gash on cheek hurts it.20-25. Thanks for lookin.
PS.Hopeing your doing better Michael.Our prayers are still with you.
gentlemen, can't disagree with the eac comments. but i think that would trnsalate to approx xf market grade. also about the center dot, those often appear on bust halves too. good explanation conder.
Well, I think that VF would be the market grade too, at least if you took the coin to a dealer to sell it to him. As retail market grade, that could be in the choice EF and AUrange if the seller is less that candid. (That's PC for less than honest.)
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I hope everyone sees it that way too.
Tomorrow.......er later on today....I,ll tell what grade it was bought at.
I will say this.I thought it looked a full grade better than what he had on the flip.
I paid the grade he had it priced at in the Numismedia price guide.
Thanks
All the dings seem to be exaggerated in the pics...hmmm.Oh well.
What's with the dot in the center of the reverse? I have an 1828 with the same dot.
Still a nice piece of history to have in one's collection.
Joe
EF is my guess, but it's not really my area of study, so it's just that - a guess.
Nice.
K S
AU details?I could agree with that for sure.Corroded?I cant agree.No porosity,or pitted anywhere.
Rims are ding-free and complete.On looking at the surfaces near the rim I can actually see flow-lines
still present.Harshly cleaned?..I see no wire brush marks.Not whizzed that I can tell.Cleaned?probably..Harshly?I,d say no.
I may have ANACS check it out for slabbing.Or ..would PCGS most likely BB it?If I KNEW they,d
slab it,I,d submit it to them as THEY are the premier slabbers on the planet.....for now.
Thanks for the look-sees yall.
As for the dot on the back, Dorkkarl was right that it is called a center dot but it has nothing to do with the planchets. The dot was created during the manufacturing of the die. The wreath was hubbed into the die using a press but all of the lettering was punched into the die by hand. In order to keep the placement of the letters even a compass would be used to lightly scribe two fine arcs around the wreath. One point of the compass was placed in the center of the die and the other point would be used to scratch the two arcs exactly the height of the lettering apart. The die sinker would then use these lines to keep from punching in the letters too high or two low. On uncirculated early die state coins these faint raised layout lines can still be seen joining the tops and/or bottoms of the letters together. The point of the compass held in the center of the die would be pressed in more firmly than the scribing point because if it wandered the arcs would not be true. After the two arcs were made the indentation in the center of the die was usually cllearly visible and often quite strong. This indentation in the die caused the raised center dot on the coins. The same process was used to place the stars on the obverses of the half cent and large cents. The center dots are not usually as noticable but are usually seen just in front of Liberty's ear.
You back home now?Hope you and your Dad are recovering nicely.Best wishes.
I'm getting better, some felling is returning to my legs and I've actually begun doing some walking, 10 to 12 steps, without my walker now. Interesting walking without feeling the floor.
`Slight flatness shows in curls on shoulder.`.....ok..gash on cheek hurts it.20-25.
Thanks for lookin.
PS.Hopeing your doing better Michael.Our prayers are still with you.
K S
Nice coin.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.